toldailytopic: Should AZ shooter Jared Loughner be forgiven?
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It depends on the severity of the crime Buddy.
You mean you won't forgive Al Bundy?
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Now, you're reaching. My ex-husband is two years younger than I am and is half native American. There goes your connection. Like me, the only thing he knows of Hitler, he learned from history books and television (more likely that he learned from TV than from history books). On top of that, my ex is two years younger than I am. His father was born at the end of WWII (as was my mother). And, since both families have been in the USA for many generations, there is no connection to Hitler.
Please share the evidence. While you're at it, what are the "warning signs" that a mass murderer displays prior to his act of violence?
I dealt with a guy years ago that was terminated from his place of employment and hand wrote a 32 page letter to the General Manager of the business (in small print no less) professing his love for her.
At the end of the letter he happened to mention that he was going to return "wrapped in his country's flag (which wasn't the US) and kill a bunch of people."
A restraining order was filed against the psycho and that's the last I ever heard of him.
Not that I know of. He was greatly influenced by Smirnoff Vodka, though. Does that count? I doubt that J could tell you who Darwin was.
Hitler believed in Anarchism. People drink Vodka. Vodka believes in Anarchism.
Vodka is an inanimate object (drink). Vodka doesn't believe in anything.
The people who drink Vodka do so out of the reason of Anarchism.
Only if he asks ... I assume you remember that little 7 x 70 speech, right?
Some people drink vodka because they enjoy the taste of vodka or how it makes them feel, Joey. It doesn't have anything to do with anarchism. And, you trying to make what my ex did the fault of either Hitler or vodka is stupid. He made the choice to hit me and he made the choice to molest children (including his own). He hit me when he was sober so you cannot blame vodka for that. And, he molested my daughter while sober. So, what happened Joey? Why should I forgive Hitler or the makers of vodka for what my ex-husband chose, without the help of either of them, to do to me and my daughter?
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JoeyArnold said:
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Hitler believed in a massive, super-sized, ultra-controlling dictatorial state, which is, I hope you know, the opposite of the goals of anarchists.
Yes. People do drink Vodka.
Yet, even though one of your premises is wrong, you come up with some independently wrong conclusion (independent in that it would be wrong even IF Hitler was an anarchist). Vodka believes in anarchism? What?
The people that drink vodka (not my D.O.C.) do so because they like it over other beverage choices. It has absolutely nothing to do with anarchy.
I'm going to have to pull a Granite here: "Do you even listen to yourself?"
Actually, I find him to be an annoying little putz.
The two notions are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
I don't understand the question.
Should any of us personally revile Jared Loughner? Supposing that we were to encounter him, should we throw tomatoes, call him names, etc.? No.
Should he go free from prison? No, that guy is crazy and extremely dangerous.
Should he be killed? No. We have to respect his personhood. If he safely can be locked away in prison and our rightful claim to self-defense doesn't necessitate his death, then he ought not to die.
Should any of us personally revile Jared Loughner? Supposing that we were to encounter him, should we throw tomatoes, call him names, etc.? No.
Should he go free from prison? No, that guy is crazy and extremely dangerous.
Should he be killed? No. We have to respect his personhood. If he safely can be locked away in prison and our rightful claim to self-defense doesn't necessitate his death, then he ought not to die.
To God. Same as everyone. A life isn't a possession that can be bought and sold. It's not a right that can be transferred. It's inviolable in an absolute sense. The only justification for killing someone if the killing immediately is necessitated by reason of self-defense. He's in police custody. He's in prison. There's no reason he should die.
That's crazy. A man isn't an Xbox 360. His life doesn't have a price tag. He isn't a consumer good.
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