John Mortimer
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Yeah, see... I think your view is strange. :idunno:
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Yeah, see... I think your view is strange. :idunno:
John Mortimer
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Hi Zip :e4e: - just wanted to quickly fire this at you.
Do I understand from the above that you actually view masturbation as immoral?
zippy2006
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Indeed I do my friend :e4e:
John Mortimer
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and your avatar isn't?
zippy2006
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Secular reasons: addiction and porn/demoting women to objects
Metaphysical reasons: It frustrates the natural end of the reproductive organs and it hinders Christian Charity
it would also be against natural law
zippy2006
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I don't want to derail the thread. I've been averse to masturbation since before I was religious. Along with what I said to Rusha it hurts relationships and demotes the sexual act to candy. I have much respect for the sexual act within the sanctity of marriage. It is a divine gift that is intimately tied to another person, it is when two become one flesh. Ripping that gift of selfless and mutual love out of context for personal pleasure is ...problematic in my eyes, to say the very least. This is the same reason we Christians are against fornication and therefore homosexuality.
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John Mortimer
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I would certainly take issue with that but it would take us off-topic.
However - if we consider the case of women masturbating without any reference to pornography......is that immoral in your view?
How does it hinder Christian charity?
Porn was not mentioned and has nothing to do with the question. Also, why would women be demoted as objects but not men? In reference to the question, that is not a gender specific activity.
Are you stating that sex should only be used for procreation?And exactly *how* is Christian charity hindered? :think:
I don't want to derail the thread either, however, I don't see the logic in any of the reasons you have stated. Maybe the discussion needs to have it's own thread. :idunno:
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Porn was not mentioned and has nothing to do with the question. Also, why would women be demoted as objects but not men? In reference to the question, that is not a gender specific activity.
And exactly *how* is Christian charity hindered? :think:
I did this dance with Granite awhile back, though I forget the thread name :think:
I'm afraid we are derailing the thread a bit and I am also afraid that we are entering a topic that has historically caused unease on TOL. If you guys want to make a thread with Knight's favor feel free, you can also pm me if you'd like. I think I've expressed my view for the purposes of this thread and anything more seems like it would be off-topic.
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I agree, Chrys.
John should pick an avatar that is much more interesting ... like a dirty, white horse head.
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Universalist
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For it, totally.
I don't understand why two people who love each other can not be married. If they are allowed to adopt children,( as they should be) I don't see the issue with a legal marriage.
I don't understand why two people who love each other can not be married. If they are allowed to adopt children,( as they should be) I don't see the issue with a legal marriage.
I don't understand how the argument of being able to biologically produce children even has relevance with this topic.
John Mortimer
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:chuckle: It's Lady Gaga, Chrys... she's very important to me right now and I just like the idea of incorporating her into my identity.
ANYWAY..... when I said I found your view "strange" I didn't mean the word to carry a pejorative sense. Honestly, Chrys.
I only meant that I don't instinctively feel the things you expressed about nature in your post.
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Perhaps it has no relevance, (depending on your perspective) I just thought I would mention it. I think it goes along with the topic of gay marriage, even though it is not the subject.
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