I'm guess that "we" don't. :chuckle:
toldailytopic: Penance and church confessional for the absolution of sins, is that s
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I'm guess that "we" don't. :chuckle:
elohiym
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Why do you have to? :idunno:
Matthew 6:8 ... your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Do you pray at all?
elohiym
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Continually.
But I believe you are asking if I occasionally ask God for something verbally. I do.
Why? Well, if I am doing it with another person, it is to seek agreement in prayer with that other person (i.e. my wife is not a mind reader). If I'm doing it while alone, it's because, for whatever reason, I'm moved to do so. Either way, God certainly knows what I want before I ask, and I don't believe I have to ask even if I may choose to for my edification or the edification of others.
Jesus taught things on earth that were not intended to be doctrine for us in the body of Christ. Jesus taught things after his ascension that ARE doctrine for us in the body of Christ.
The command of the Son to pray the so-called Lord's prayer is as much for us as is the command of the Father to stone the Sabbath offender. Ever picked up sticks or done any kind of work at all on Saturday, chrys? If so, who would you like to sling the first rock your way?
zippy2006
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You said or alluded to this a few times, zippy. But I don't believe this. Jesus preached the kingdom at-hand. Israel decided to collectively reject their Messiah, so things changed. That gets into another subject, but you're making statements about what you think I believe that are based on a misunderstanding.
Anyway, you're Catholic and you're going to be Catholic. I'm not and never will be. So I think we'll be stuck in this debate until the cows come home (whatever that means :chuckle.
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Randy
Ah I see your point, I guess I wasn't thinking about it from a MAD perspective enough. I guess my only point is that the early church Fathers and the history of the church may make you think twice.
Take care CM, God Bless
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zippy2006
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Would you say that God has forgiven everyone their sins, but not everyone knows it?
I disagree insofar as that I think it begins with God's forgiveness. You can certainly forgive yourself for things, but that doesn't mean that the other person has forgiven you.
Certainly, the Church affirms that we are a priestly people.
Yes, I agree. God does not need priests but He uses them all the same, much the same way God did not need Moses but He used him all the same.
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Jordan Fontenot
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I'm not sure I completely understand what all you've said here but I think what you're trying to say is that Jesus didn't pay our full debt on the cross. If that's the case you may want to read Romans chapters 5 and 6. especially 6:10 which says he died to sin once for all. Now I agree OSAS is unbiblical however assuming you believe that that's even scarier because if you live full of sin then according to that doctrine you never believed in the first place and perhaps you'll never know if you're saved. SO Mr. OSAS will freak out and "do penence" even as a prodestent because he feels he cannot do enough. Truth is that according to the Bible in Romans 3:23 we'll never be good enough and even though in James 2 we see that faith without works is dead, we see in ephesians that a faith built on works is also. Christianity is a relationship, not a religion.
No need to worry about enough MAD perspective. Just think about it from a biblical perspective.
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Penance and church confessional for the absolution of sins, is that something a Christian should do?
only if you still sin
only if you still sin
HisServant
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Then how come you post in the politics forum all the time.. in threads that have nothing to do with God or spirituality?
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