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genuineoriginal

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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Wrong. You're looking for 6 consecutive days between 1 and 30.
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Can't believe you keep missing it. You're looking for 6 consecutive days between 1 and 30. :)
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They collected manna for more than just six days and then stopped collecting it.

They collected manna on the first six days every week for forty years.

Exodus 16:35
35 And the children of Israel did eat manna forty years, until they came to a land inhabited; they did eat manna, until they came unto the borders of the land of Canaan.​

The seventh day of every week was the Sabbath.
WatchmanOnTheWall said:
And Sabbaths are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
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What about the 1st day of the month?
Is the first week of the month 8 days long instead of seven?
If so, then working seven days before the Sabbath on the 8th day is in violation of the commandment.

What about the 30th day of the months that have 30 days?
That would make working eight days in a row before the Sabbath, and also violate the commandment.

No, the only way to keep the commandment is if every week is only seven days long without any respect for the day of the month.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Answer all the questions correctly and you will receive a surprise prize:

Q1: In Exodus 16 what 6 days did God say the Manna would first appear on?:

Exodus 16
Manna and Quail

1The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. 3The Israelites said to them, “If only we had died by the Lord’s hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death.”

4Then the Lord said to Moses, “I will rain down bread from heaven for you. The people are to go out each day and gather enough for that day. In this way I will test them and see whether they will follow my instructions. 5On the sixth day they are to prepare what they bring in, and that is to be twice as much as they gather on the other days.”

6So Moses and Aaron said to all the Israelites, “In the evening you will know that it was the Lord who brought you out of Egypt, 7and in the morning you will see the glory of the Lord, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we, that you should grumble against us?” 8Moses also said, “You will know that it was the Lord when he gives you meat to eat in the evening and all the bread you want in the morning, because he has heard your grumbling against him. Who are we? You are not grumbling against us, but against the Lord.”

9Then Moses told Aaron, “Say to the entire Israelite community, ‘Come before the Lord, for he has heard your grumbling.’ ”

10While Aaron was speaking to the whole Israelite community, they looked toward the desert, and there was the glory of the Lord appearing in the cloud.

11The Lord said to Moses, 12“I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, ‘At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.’ ”

13That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was.

Moses said to them, “It is the bread the Lord has given you to eat. 16This is what the Lord has commanded: ‘Everyone is to gather as much as they need. Take an omera for each person you have in your tent.’ ”

17The Israelites did as they were told; some gathered much, some little. 18And when they measured it by the omer, the one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little. Everyone had gathered just as much as they needed.

19Then Moses said to them, “No one is to keep any of it until morning.”

20However, some of them paid no attention to Moses; they kept part of it until morning, but it was full of maggots and began to smell. So Moses was angry with them.

21Each morning everyone gathered as much as they needed, and when the sun grew hot, it melted away. 22On the sixth day, they gathered twice as much—two omers for each person—and the leaders of the community came and reported this to Moses. 23He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’ ”

24So they saved it until morning, as Moses commanded, and it did not stink or get maggots in it. 25“Eat it today,” Moses said, “because today is a sabbath to the Lord. You will not find any of it on the ground today. 26Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”
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Shalom.

Today is Revi'i, Aviv 12. It is Yom, Day.

The manna was gathered in the morning the first six days of the week.

Shalom.

Jacob
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Nope you've missed it again. Read Exodus 16 in the OP carefully. It tells us which day God said to start collecting the Manna. Which day did God say the Manna would begin to appear?
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Stop claiming I am missing it when you have left over days every month that do not fit your interpretation of the scriptures.
I didn't miss anything.
You fell short of the mark.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
Yes but on what days of the second month were the very first 6 days the Manna was collected?
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It doesn't matter, does it.
The week is still 7 days long and the days of the week have no relationship with the days of the month.
The new moon that starts a month can be on any of the seven days of the week and every day of every month will end up on every one of the seven days of the week over the years.
WatchmanOnTheWall said:
And Sabbaths are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.
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No. Some months will have the Sabbath on days 1, 8, 15, 22, and 29 on some years, like is currently happening with our current month of Nisan, 5778 and will happen again in Nisan 5779 next year.
But the year after that Nisan, 5780 will have the Sabbaths on days 3, 10, 17, and 24.
The next month coming up this year, Iyyar, 5778, will have the Sabbaths on days 6, 13, 20, and 27.
The Sabbath falls on the same day of every week: the Seventh day.
The Sabbath does not fall on the same days of every month.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
CORRECT! Congratulations you are the first person to correctly identify that the first week of collecting the Manna occurred on the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th & 21st of the second month after leaving Egypt.

Q2: If the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th & 21st of the second month were the days on which the Manna was collected, on which days on the second month was the Sabbaths on?
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I already knew all that. I was waiting for you guys to get it.
 
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Genesis 2:3

(3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Exodus 20:8

(8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

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"Sanctified" in Genesis 2:3 and "holy" in Exodus 20:8 are the same word in Hebrew though in different tenses. In Genesis 2, God makes the seventh day holy; in Exodus 20, He commands us to keep holy what He has already made holy. A holy God is required to make holy time, and He made no time holy other than His Sabbaths. God can make man holy, but man cannot confer holiness to the degree God does.

Any other day of worship has a mere manmade holiness and is not holy as God's Sabbaths are holy. The Sabbath, then, is worthy of respect, deference, even devotion not given to other periods of time. It is set apart for sacred use because it derives from God.
The underlying implication of the usage of "holy" is difference. The verbal root literally means "to cut," "to cut out," "to separate from," or it can imply "to make a cut above," thus "to make special."

A holy thing is an object that is different from that to which it is compared. In this case, the other six days are common and are given to the use and pursuit of the common, ordinary activities of life. Practically, it means that when the Sabbath arrives, we should stop doing and avoid the mundane things that make or promote turning the Sabbath into an ordinary day.

Exodus 3:1-5 provides a clear illustration of what the word "holy" implies:
Now Moses . . . came to Horeb, the mountain of God. And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. Then Moses said, "I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn." So when the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am." Then He said, "Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground."
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The principle shown here is what makes the Sabbath holy, different. Because God was present, Moses had to treat the ground differently, with a respect or a deference that he would not give to ordinary ground. For the called of God, this difference, this holiness, is a spiritual thing; it is not physically discerned.

Notice that, even though Moses was aware that there was something unusual about what He was observing, God had to tell him that he stood on holy ground. It is a spiritual state that cannot be physically discerned. As for the Sabbath, God puts His presence into the day for the sake of His people and His spiritual creation.

Consider the scenario Amos 3:3 presents: "Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?" If we want to be in God's presence in this special way and in agreement with Him, no other day will do. God has an appointment with us to meet with Him on a specific day, on Sabbath time.
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It is time, different from other time, just as an appointment time with a dentist is different from other time in one's life, as well as from another person's scheduled time.
— John W. Ritenbaugh​

To learn more, see:

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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
CORRECT! Congratulations Jacob you are the first person to correctly identify that the first week of collecting the Manna occurred on the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th & 21st of the second month after leaving Egypt.

Q2: Now we know the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th & 21st of the second month were the days on which the Manna was first collected, on which day on the second month did God say the Sabbath was on? The answer is also found in Exodus 16 here:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?129091-TOL-treasure-hunt&p=5202584&viewfull=1#post5202584
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The 22nd
 
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