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genuineoriginal
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Explain which day of the week the highlighted days fall on.
| First | Second | Third | Fourth | Fifth | Sixth | Sabbath |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| March 17, Nisan 1 | ||||||
| March 18, Nisan 2 | March 19, Nisan 3 | March 20, Nisan 4 | March 21, Nisan 5 | March 22, Nisan 6 | March 23, Nisan 7 | March 24, Nisan 8 |
| March 25, Nisan 9 | March 26, Nisan 10 | March 27, Nisan 11 | March 28, Nisan 12 | March 29, Nisan 13 | March 30, Nisan 14 | March 31, Nisan 15 |
| April 1, Nisan 16 | April 2, Nisan 17 | April 3, Nisan 18 | April 4, Nisan 19 | April 5, Nisan 20 | April 6, Nisan 21 | April 7, Nisan 22 |
| April 8, Nisan 23 | April 9, Nisan 24 | April 10, Nisan 25 | April 11, Nisan 26 | April 12, Nisan 27 | April 13, Nisan 28 | April 14, Nisan 29 |
| April 15, Nisan 30 | April 16, Iyyar 1 | |||||
| April 17, Iyyar 2 | April 18, Iyyar 3 | April 19, Iyyar 4 | April 20, Iyyar 5 | April 21, Iyyar 6 | April 22, Iyyar 7 | April 23, Iyyar 8 |
| April 24, Iyyar 9 | April 25, Iyyar 10 | April 26, Iyyar 11 | April 27, Iyyar 12 | April 28, Iyyar 13 | April 29, Iyyar 14 | April 30, Iyyar 15 |
| May 1, Iyyar 16 | May 2, Iyyar 17 | May 3, Iyyar 18 | May 4, Iyyar 19 | May 5, Iyyar 20 | May 6, Iyyar 21 | May 7, Iyyar 22 |
| May 8, Iyyar 23 | May 9, Iyyar 24 | May 10, Iyyar 25 | May 11, Iyyar 26 | May 12, Iyyar 27 | May 13, Iyyar 28 | May 14, Iyyar 29 |
| May 15, Sivan 1 | ||||||
| May 16, Sivan 2 | May 17, Sivan 3 | May 18, Sivan 4 | May 19, Sivan 5 | May 20, Sivan 6 | May 21, Sivan 7 | May 22, Sivan 8 |
| May 23, Sivan 9 | May 24, Sivan 10 | May 25, Sivan 11 | May 26, Sivan 12 | May 27, Sivan 13 | May 28, Sivan 14 | May 29, Sivan 15 |
| May 30, Sivan 16 | May 31, Sivan 17 | June 1, Sivan 18 | June 2, Sivan 19 | June 3, Sivan 20 | June 4, Sivan 21 | June 5, Sivan 22 |
| June 6, Sivan 23 | June 7, Sivan 24 | June 8, Sivan 25 | June 9, Sivan 26 | June 10, Sivan 27 | June 11, Sivan 28 | June 12, Sivan 29 |
| June 13, Sivan 30 | June 14, Tamuz 1 | |||||
| June 15, Tamuz 2 | June 16, Tamuz 3 | June 17, Tamuz 4 | June 18, Tamuz 5 | June 19, Tamuz 6 | June 20, Tamuz 7 | June 21, Tamuz 8 |
| June 22, Tamuz 9 | June 23, Tamuz 10 | June 24, Tamuz 11 | June 25, Tamuz 12 | June 26, Tamuz 13 | June 27, Tamuz 14 | June 28, Tamuz 15 |
Your answer to the question is "incorrect"? How is that an answer and not evasion? If the calendar which was posted is incorrect according to you then why not post what you believe is the correct version of the calendar and answer the simple question? Do you need confusion in order for your calendar to sound acceptable to others? There is no doubt that your version of the calendar inserts days at the end of every month because the lunar cycle is approximately equal to 29.5 days and that is not a number which is divisible by seven, (pretty much everyone knows that 4x7=28, lol). The scripture plainly says, paraphrased, because it is said in more than one place in several ways, "Six days shall work be done but the seventh day is the Sabbath", and there is nowhere that the Sabbath is ever tied to the lunar cycle in any way: in fact the Sabbath is always tied to the creation week if anything at all, and yet what most people interpret as "the sun and moon", (the greater light and the lesser light), were not even created until the fourth day. If therefore you believe that the sun and moon were created in the fourth day, Gen1:14,15,16, then you have the seventh day being only the third day after the sun and moon were created. Thus, in your version of what appears to be a strictly lunar calendar, you have the moon being created in the fourth day of creation and the first Sabbath falling only three days later. :dizzy:
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Moreover you must have missed what was already said to you in your own thread:
Yom haShishi, (with the definite article), is a direct reference to Gen1:31, and throughout Gen1 none of the other days of creation in that passage have the article attached: only the sixth day has the article, "Yom haShishi", and of course the seventh day which follows also has the article, ("Yom haShebii", Gen2:2).
1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
7) Yom haShebii
Thus even Exodus 16, in the Hebrew in which it is written, refers the reader back to the creation account in Gen1 wherein the days of creation are not based on the sun and moon but on the Yom-Light of Meshiah, (even according to Paul in 2Cor4:6).
genuineoriginal
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You failed to address the problem with your statements about which days of the week are the Sabbath (seventh) days.
What happens to the days between the 29th day of the month and the second day of the next month?
Are they counted as some of the six days when work is to be done?
Are they tacked onto the beginning of the next week, making an eight day or a nine day week at the beginning of each month, like this?
Eight days shall work be done and the ninth day shall be the Sabbath?
| First | Second | Third | Fourth | Fifth | Sixth | Seventh | Eighth | Ninth/Sabbath |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| April 15 Nisan 30 | April 16 Iyyar 1 | April 17 Iyyar 2 | April 18 Iyyar 3 | April 19 Iyyar 4 | April 20 Iyyar 5 | April 21 Iyyar 6 | April 22 Iyyar 7 | April 23 Iyyar 8 |
| First | Second | Third | Fourth | Fifth | Sixth | Seventh | Eighth/Sabbath |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 15 Sivan 1 | May 16 Sivan 2 | May 17 Sivan 3 | May 18 Sivan 4 | May 19 Sivan 5 | May 20 Sivan 6 | May 21 Sivan 7 | May 22 Sivan 8 |
Here are a couple more which he likely will not answer:
1) How do you count seven Sabbaths and one day to make fifty days to Shabuot-Pentecost? On a lunar Sabbath calendar it cannot be done: you will always end up with a count of fifty-one or fifty-two days counting seven Sabbaths in a row, complete, and adding a day. So what do they do? They say that the scripture supposedly means to count seven Sabbaths and then add fifty more days beyond the seventh Sabbath. :chuckle:
2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists). :chuckle:
genuineoriginal
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Don't tell me "Incorrect" and refuse to address the problem you you presented in the OP here:
and here:
I am asking you what to do with the extra days between the 29th of the month and the 2nd of the month.
Are those extra days Sabbath days when manna is not supposed to be gathered?
Are those extra days counted twice so the six days to gather becomes seven or eight days?
Fix the problem with gathering on six days and not gathering on the seventh day when your calendar adds 1 or 2 extra days before the second day of the month that do not fit the schedule for manna gathering.
False accusation and lying. Please address the answers to your OP. Just because you do not agree with them does not mean they are derailing your thread. If that were the case there is no need for this place because debate is not allowed: just post that you agree with Watchman or move along. Lying is also against the TOL rules.
You already responded to the answer and said, again, "incorrect".
Incorrect, the days on which the manna was collect is in the OP. You have missed it or not read it.Moreover you must have missed what was already said to you in your own thread:
Originally Posted by daqq
How do you suppose that Moses knew the "flesh" would come first and that it would be in the evening, (first, before the morning)? The Father does not mention those things in Exodus 16 before Moses makes the claim; so how did Moses know? It is because of the phrase "ba-yom ha-shishi", and that is significant because the sixth day of the creation is the only day, (of the six days of creation), containing the article in that manner, (yom ha-shishi). That means that Moses knows what he knows from what is already stated in Gen1:31.
Exodus 16:3-8 KJV
3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.
4 Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.
5 And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day ["bayom hashishi"] they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.
6 And Moses and Aaron said unto all the children of Israel, At even, then ye shall know that the LORD hath brought you out from the land of Egypt:
7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?
8 And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.
See what I mean? The Father said nothing in this passage, (Exo16:4-5), about evening, (or "flesh"), but Moses knows it from what was said to him because yom hashishi is a direct reference to Genesis 1:31.
Yom haShishi, (with the definite article), is a direct reference to Gen1:31, and throughout Gen1 none of the other days of creation in that passage have the article attached: only the sixth day has the article, "Yom haShishi", and of course the seventh day which follows also has the article, ("Yom haShebii", Gen2:2).
1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
7) Yom haShebii
Thus even Exodus 16, in the Hebrew in which it is written, refers the reader back to the creation account in Gen1 wherein the days of creation are not based on the sun and moon but on the Yom-Light of Meshiah, (even according to Paul in 2Cor4:6).
The answer was right there in front of you:
1) Yom Echad
2) Yom Sheni
3) Yom Shlishi
4) Yom Rebii
5) Yom Chamishi
6) Yom haShishi
You yourself have missed it or not read it.
genuineoriginal
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I am addressing the OP, you are refusing further discussions with the problems created by the ideas in the OP.
Please stick to the OP. Derailing threads is against TOL rules.Originally Posted by daqq
Here are a couple more which he likely will not answer:
1) How do you count seven Sabbaths and one day to make fifty days to Shabuot-Pentecost? On a lunar Sabbath calendar it cannot be done: you will always end up with a count of fifty-one or fifty-two days counting seven Sabbaths in a row, complete, and adding a day. So what do they do? They say that the scripture supposedly means to count seven Sabbaths and then add fifty more days beyond the seventh Sabbath. :chuckle:
2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists). :chuckle:
Moreover what I said in #2, which you quoted, is directly related to the OP because you claim in the OP that the third Sabbath of every month always falls on the 22nd of the month. However that cannot be true because of what I said from the scripture:
2) The "last great day of the feast" in John 7:37 is Shmini Atzeret, the 22nd of the seventh month, which the lunar sabbatarians say is always a Sabbath. But the next chapter is a continuance of the same passage: the Master goes out to the mount of Olives and the very next morning returns to the temple to teach, (Joh8:1-2). At the end of that chapter they are about to stone him, but he conceals himself, passes through their midst, and goes his way: and as he departs from the temple he sees a man blind from his birth, (Joh9:1). He then heals this blind man blind on the 23rd, the day after Shmini Atzeret, and guess what? It is the Sabbath, (Joh9:14). So right here in this passage we have the last great day of the feast of Sukkot, the 22nd of the seventh month: and the very next day is a weekly Sabbath, and it is the 23rd of the seventh month. There are two schools of lunar sabbatarians: the one says that the Sabbaths always fall on the 7th, 14th, 21st, and 28th, while Watchman's club teaches that the Sabbaths always fall on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, and neither camp can account for the above New Testament evidence, (and some do not even know it exists).
There should be no doubt that the last great day of Sukkot-Tabernacles is the eighth day of the feast, as you yourself know and claim, and you know full well that the eighth day of the feast is the 22nd of the month, and you have also already claimed that it is a weekly Sabbath. You are flat out wrong because of what is written in the Gospel of John: it cannot be a weekly Sabbath because the very next day is the Sabbath according to the Gospel of John:
John 7:2 KJV
2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.
John 7:14 KJV
14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
Then comes the 22nd of the seventh month:
John 7:37 KJV (Shmini Atzeret, the eighth day of Tabernacles)
37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
John 7:53 KJV
53 And every man went unto his own house.
Then comes the very next day which is the 23rd of the seventh month:
John 8:1-2 KJV
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
Then at the end of the discourse they take up stones to stone him and he leaves:
John 8:59 KJV
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
And as the Master passes by, going out of the temple, he sees the man blind from birth:
John 9:1 KJV
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
And then he heals the blind man:
John 9:5-7 KJV
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay,
7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
This is no doubt the 23rd of the seventh month and it is the Sabbath:
John 9:14-16 KJV
14 And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.
15 Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.
16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.
You therefore cannot be correct, and neither can your calendar be correct, because you and the calendar you are promoting both claim that the 22nd day of every month is a weekly Sabbath: and yet we clearly see in the above passage that the 22nd of the seventh month is the last great day of the feast of Tabernacles, just as the scripture teaches in the Torah, (the eighth day of Sukkot-Tabernacles), and the very next day, which is the 23rd of the seventh month, is a weekly Sabbath!
This has everything to do with your false claims in the OP.
You have been shown multiple ways in multiple threads why you are incorrect about your assumptions concerning Exodus 16. You have now denied three chapters in the Gospel of John, which include the section regarding the feast of Sukkot-Tabernacles, and which prove that the 23rd of the seventh month was a Sabbath in that year, (John chapters 7, 8, and 9). Moreover this again proves what was already shown to you in another thread; how that a shabbaton-rest is not the same as a Shabbat shabbaton, and thus, the shabbaton-rest days of the feast of Sukkot, which are the first and the eighth days, are not weekly Sabbaths but simply called shabbaton-rest days. You have denied both the Torah and the Gospel of John in favor of your erroneous calendar. Moreover you have now denied the very opening creation account, from the first chapter of Genesis, where those six names of the days are found:
1) Yom Echad - Genesis 1:5
2) Yom Sheni - Genesis 1:8
3) Yom Shlishi - Genesis 1:13
4) Yom Rebii - Genesis 1:19
5) Yom Chamishi - Genesis 1:23
6) Yom haShishi - Genesis 1:31
You have made yourself a Scripture perverter and denier in honor of a moon calendar.
Thus he showed me, and behold, Adonai was stationed by the wall of Anak, and in his hand was the hook of Anak: and he said to me, What do you see? and I said, Anak. And Adonai said, Behold, I will set Anak in the midst of my people, and I will not again pass over them any more: and the joyful high places shall be desolated, and the sanctuaries shall be laid waste, and I will rise up against the house of Yarabeam with the sword. The hour is coming, O pseudo-prophet: and no man knows the day or the hour. :chuckle:
I did, all the way up to there: you were incapable because of your moon calendar blinders.
genuineoriginal
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I am not missing anything, but you have 1-2 extra days every month that do not fit into your teaching, and you keep avoiding addressing those extra days.
genuineoriginal
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You have a misunderstanding of the verses, and trying to impose that same misunderstanding on others by telling them to keep reading the verses you are misunderstanding is not going to change your misunderstanding.
genuineoriginal
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You have failed.
genuineoriginal
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I have looked at the verses, I have seen where your mistake comes from, and have tried to point out your mistake to you by showing you the days that do not fit into seven day weeks when using your calculations.I am human, of course I fail but scripture never fails, take another look, you might see it this time?
Look at the calendars I posted again.
Pay attention to the days after the 29th day of the month and the 2nd day of the next month.
Explain how to fit those days into your interpretation.
If you refuse to look at them, you have failed.
If you cannot explain how to fit those days into your interpretation, you have failed.
I have succeeded because the days in the passage you keep wanting me to look at fit into a continual seven day week cycle and there are never any days left over.
genuineoriginal
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You are blind, and are telling me to look again?Nope, it does say which days the manna was collected on. Have another look, you might get it this time.
Shalom.
Today is Shlishli (Third), 12-26. It is Yom, Day. I am writing from Tacoma, Washington.
The answer to your question is as follows. I do not know how to read all of the Hebrew here in this verse, scripture, at this time. I can read the first seven words without any problem or difficulty. Hebrew is read from right to left. I can pronounce these words. I am working on my vocabulary.
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 16
Verse 26
26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day [which is the] Sabbath on it there will be none
:כו שֵׁ֥שֶׁת יָמִ֖ים תִּלְקְטֻ֑הוּ וּבַיּ֧וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֛י שַׁבָּ֖ת לֹ֥א יִֽהְיֶה־בּֽוֹ
Shalom.
Jacob
Today is Shlishli (Third), 12-26. It is Yom, Day. I am writing from Tacoma, Washington.
The answer to your question is as follows. I do not know how to read all of the Hebrew here in this verse, scripture, at this time. I can read the first seven words without any problem or difficulty. Hebrew is read from right to left. I can pronounce these words. I am working on my vocabulary.
Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 16
Verse 26
26 Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day [which is the] Sabbath on it there will be none
:כו שֵׁ֥שֶׁת יָמִ֖ים תִּלְקְטֻ֑הוּ וּבַיּ֧וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֛י שַׁבָּ֖ת לֹ֥א יִֽהְיֶה־בּֽוֹ
Shalom.
Jacob