To all who hate the stars & bars because "it means slavery"...

[Psalmist]

Praise the Lord for William Wilberforce and what he did concerning slavery. ​

 

[tetelestai]

I beginning to wonder if all this flack about the Confederate flag is nothing more than a smokescreen, the real target being the US flag.

 

[drbrumley]

According to Roof's manifesto, his inspiration came from the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Here's a pic of members of the CCC:

I see, the CCC told him to murder 9 christians?

 

[Psalmist]

Nope, I'm a Conservative, who along with almost every Republican in office today, is calling for a flag that symbolizes racial hatred to be removed from government property.

See ya, don't let your Confederate Flag hit you in the you know what.

The Confederate Flag issue could be a divider of the nation.​

 

[drbrumley]

Praise the Lord for William Wilberforce and what he did concerning slavery. ​

No doubt. If Lincoln only followed his lead.

 

[tetelestai]

I see, the CCC told him to murder 9 christians?

Nope.

He said the CCC was an influence on him.

The CCC is a hateful bunch of racists who (surprise) use the Confederate Flag as a symbol for their hate.

 

[tetelestai]

The Confederate Flag issue could be a divider of the nation.​

Yes, it could be.

It's hard to believe there are actually people who defend it.

 

[drbrumley]

The Confederate Flag issue could be a divider of the nation.​

You maybe right, but the people "states" have the right to leave a Union they themselves created. Something Lincoln didn't want to happen and used force to keep it that way.

 

[Psalmist]

Yes, it could be.

It's hard to believe there are actually people who defend it.​

I wonder if they are defending the Confederacy more than the Confederate Flag. The flag can be as just a flag, as a divider of America, or a representation of terrible period of time in our nation, centering on the Civil War pitting a nation against itself through the north and the south.​

 

[tetelestai]

but the people "states" have the right to leave a Union they themselves created.

No they don't.

They didn't back then, and they don't now.

 

[Psalmist]

No they don't.

They didn't back then, and they don't now.

Texas has threatened to leave the union a few times, thry can but they will not.​

 

[tetelestai]

Texas has threatened to leave the union a few times, thry can but they will not.​

And Vermont threatened to secede after George W. Bush was elected.

Ain't no way Texas or any other state is seceding without violent revolution.

As for Texas:

"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States." - Supreme Court Justice Salmon P. Chase

 

[drbrumley]

No they don't.

They didn't back then, and they don't now.

Who says? You? This country was born thru secession.

 

[tetelestai]

Who says? You?

SCOTUS

This country was born thru secession.

See the "violent revolution" part in my previous post.

 

[drbrumley]

SCOTUS

And who are they, rubber stampers.

See the "violent revolution" part in my previous post.

I saw it. I would hate to see it, but if a state and its people want to leave, the only recourse is to destroy it?

 

[tetelestai]

And who are they, rubber stampers.

They are the final authority on Constitution Law.

That doesn't mean they are always right (i.e. Dred Scott)

However, they have already ruled on succession.

I saw it. I would hate to see it, but if a state and its people want to leave, the only recourse is to destroy it?

Destroy what?

 

[drbrumley]

They are the final authority on Constitution Law.

That doesn't mean they are always right (i.e. Dred Scott)

However, they have already ruled on succession.

So, thank you for reminding us all that we are not indeed free. Oh, and I didn't realize our rights were up to 9 black robed "Gods" in Washington. That our rights come from the government and not God.

Destroy what?

The state that decides to leave the Union.

 

[drbrumley]

And by the way Tet, please, show us the part in the Constitution that forbids secession. Much appreciated.

 

[tetelestai]

So, thank you for reminding us all that we are not indeed free. Oh, and I didn't realize our rights were up to 9 black robed "Gods" in Washington. That our rights come from the government and not God.

No country is perfect. However the USA is the greatest country ever.

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good!

The state that decides to leave the Union.

The only way a violent revolution resulting in a successful succession would ever happen is if about half the country split from the other half.

I don't see that happening.

 

[drbrumley]

No country is perfect. However the USA is the greatest country ever.

Your right, no country is perfect, no man is perfect. USA was the greatest.Still the best in the world, but not the greatest. She has slipped and is severely hurt, maybe fatally.

Don't make the perfect the enemy of the good!

You can rest assured I don't.

The only way a violent revolution resulting in a successful succession would ever happen is if about half the country split from the other half.

I don't see that happening.

And it won't. Unless we as a nation can grow a backbone. And that was tried and the the south lost. And the same contemptible rulers who rule us as they did then WILL NOT ALLOW it.