To all who hate the stars & bars because "it means slavery"...
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Alate_One
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Yes, the tiny minority of people you'd like to hold up to make the south's cause okay. How do you know any of them served willingly?
| Though no one knows for sure, the number of slaves who fought and labored for the South was modest, estimated Stauffer. Blacks who shouldered arms for the Confederacy numbered more than 3,000 but fewer than 10,000, he said, among the hundreds of thousands of whites who served. Black laborers for the cause numbered from 20,000 to 50,000. Those are not big numbers, said Stauffer. Black Confederate soldiers likely represented less than 1 percent of Southern black men of military age during that period, and less than 1 percent of Confederate soldiers. And their motivation for serving isn’t taken into account by the numbers, since some may have been forced into service, and others may have seen fighting as a way out of privation. But even those small numbers of black soldiers carry immense symbolic meaning for neo-Confederates, who are pressing their case for the central idea that the South was a bastion of states’ rights and not a viper pit of slavery, even though slavery was central to its economy. |
| But unless readers think that black Confederates were truly enamored of the South’s cause, Stauffer related the case of John Parker, a slave forced to build Confederate barricades and later to join the crew of a cannon firing grapeshot at Union troops at the First Battle of Bull Run. All the while, recalled Parker, he worried about dying, prayed for a Union victory, and dreamed of escaping to the other side. |
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Secession was a bad idea, based on slavery and more people in the north died to stop the southerners. Why would you want to honor a symbol of a war that resulted in the deaths of more Americans than any other wars combined?
Quincy
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Yea, even if a person isn't capable of empathizing with minority races, they should still be able to see that most of those people understand the flag to be a symbol of terrorism. It's just unethical to have it on public grounds, especially if it is raised above the U.S. flag. Minorities pay taxes the same as anyone.
Well I'm glad Musterion gave us all the slam-dunk question of the year.:chuckle::thumb:
musterion
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By that logic, so is the Stars and Stripes.
drbrumley
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Precisely...
I beginning to wonder if all this flack about the Confederate flag is nothing more than a smokescreen, the real target being the US flag.
musterion
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I won't be at all surprised. One does not lay a new foundation on top of another that he finds flawed. In order to "fundamentally transform" America, the entire foundation that has existed must be torn out. That would of necessity include Old Glory.
Or put into Orwell's words, "...that we should be rid of the last vestiges of Goldsteinism..." when Goldstein and all he was said to represent were complete fabrications by the Party to help it ferret out dissent and crush it.
The same tactic is at play here.
Keep dreaming up more reasons and ignoring the real reason.
The Confederate Flag is a symbol of racial hatred.
musterion
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Only if you superimpose it. You're no different from the Klan in that regard, do you realize that, lefty?
musterion
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I'm also convinced this controversy has a dual purpose: what we've been discussing, as well as a distraction from the complete and total (figurative) sodomizing that conservative voters are receiving from congressional Republicans as we speak. It should now be clear beyond any doubt that we may be (or were) the GOP's voters but most of them do not consider us their constituents. There's little hope of saving the Republic when faced with a situation like this.
drbrumley
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Yeah we know, the real reason Dylan Roof murdered those christians was because the Confederate flag told him to do it.
Nope, it's a symbol of racial hatred by itself.
That's a pretty stupid statement. The Klan likes the flag, uses the flag, and wants the flag to fly at the Capital.
I hate the flag, and want it taken down.
Like, Iv'e said, everything about the flag is associated with the left, and you're defending the flag, so that makes you the "lefty", not me.
According to Roof's manifesto, his inspiration came from the Council of Conservative Citizens.
Here's a pic of members of the CCC:
Nope, I'm a Conservative, who along with almost every Republican in office today, is calling for a flag that symbolizes racial hatred to be removed from government property.
See ya, don't let your Confederate Flag hit you in the you know what.
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