vfirestormv
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Why would I read my neighbor's mail. What kind of analogy is that? The neighbor's mail is neither to me or for me. And if it is not to me but it is for me, should I follow it?
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Why would I read my neighbor's mail. What kind of analogy is that? The neighbor's mail is neither to me or for me. And if it is not to me but it is for me, should I follow it?
Whatever the Lord speaks to us and shows us, is for us, we ought give heed to.
You reveal He does not speak to you, not only by this post of yours but by you calling me unsaved all of the time, and speaking like a devil about Christ's brethren.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
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heir
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You want to read all of the Bible as being written TO you, but it's not. Some of it (much of it) is reading someone else's mail. Just trying to come at it another way to help you. That's all.
vfirestormv
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God is a holy and righteous God and by His very nature because He is holy and because He is righteous He must punish sin. Have you ever committed a sin? Have you ever lied? Have you ever stole anything? Have you used God's name in vain? Have you ever committed adultery or even looked with lust to another woman or man? Have you ever committed murder or even been angry with someone unjustly? ,etc,
If you are guilty of any of these, even a little white lie, the Bible says if you have offended in one point you are guilty of all. In other words, it doesn't matter how many times you sin, the fact that you sin at all is enough for God to judge you.
But there is good news, God loved mankind so much that He sent His Son to come into this world and live a perfect sinless life, which we could never do, and so He alone could pay the penalty for sin. To satisfy God's wrath. And that is what Christ did when He went to the Cross and was crucified for our sins. And three days later He arose again from the dead, conquering death, hell and the grave so that we would no longer have to fear death. And that if we will repent by placing our faith in Christ and His finished work on the Cross we will be saved.
vfirestormv
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No I read it as it is for me, which it is. I am well aware of whom it was written to and why. Even the Epistles were not written to you, they were written to real churches and most with real problems. But they are however written for you. And that is Gen. - Rev.
heir
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By recognizing that while all the Bible is FOR our learning, it's not all written TO us? Wow. Alrighty then.
heir
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No, the word of truth that concerns us is defined by Paul and Paul writes that to study to shew thyself approved unto God, as workman that needeth not to be ashamed, one must rightly divide it (the word of truth).
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
heir
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Don't be silly.
Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
and later...
Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
heir
TOL Subscriber
Paul NEVER used the term.
Good post!
1) You have no true knowledge of Paul's Gospel!
2) You have no Spiritual discernment!
3) You have no love for anyone!
4) You have no comprehension of how to "rightly divide the Word!"
5) You have no common sense!
6) You are extremely ignorant!
7) You pretend to be some kind of Prophet or something!
8) You make erroneous predictions about others!
9) You are judgmental without cause!
10)You are pretentious, argumentative, angry, and an
unfriendly and unlikable Misanthrope!
There's 10 things I came up with! Others can probably
come up with more?
You just revealed almost all you are in one post.
You left out how you have no friends at home, no one likes you, and you do nothing but sit at a computer and admire yourself.
LA
Is this one of your 'famous' predictions of what is now or is to be in the future?
Is this one of your 'famous' predictions of what is now or is to be in the future? :darwinsm:
musterion
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Just want to emphasize that most excellent point Heir made.
If we MADs are guilty of anything, we're guilty of taking the Bible exactly as it lays -- not robbing select chunks from different dispensations and forcing them to fit together a hundred different contradictory ways.
Imagine a small child with three or four jigsaw puzzles made by different companies. All four puzzles depict a lion.
What happens if the child gets the idea to combine ALL the pieces of ALL the puzzles into ONE BIG BEAUTIFUL lion picture? Confusion and frustration. The picture each individual puzzle was intended to convey cannot come through clearly, if at all. Worse, some children might think whoever created the puzzles were fools because, even though the kids quickly see the combination DOES NOT WORK, they remain convinced that, somehow, ALL the pieces MUST go together because it's all still a lion.
The fact that the puzzle isn't working for them, they blame on the puzzle or whoever made it. It never occurs to them that they're doing it wrong.
Same thing happens with adults who don't realize (or, worse, refuse to believe) that while all the Bible is FOR us, it is not all TO us, ABOUT us, nor intended for OUR application. What the erring child does with different puzzles, these adults do the same with with the Bible...except in this case, the honor and reputation of God and His Word, and the souls of men, are on the line.
And whereas children tend to be more honest and receptive to correction, prideful adults who have invested their faith in whatever can and do find ANY excuse to keep doing what they're doing even though they know it isn't working. Why? Because the alternative - simply admitting your assumptions have been wrong and you were misled - they refuse to do. So instead of becoming like an honest little child and admitting the error to God and asking for light, they press on in their error and hate those who dare try to expose it (namely, us).
I know this as a first-hand fact. I used to be one of those adults.
Agree or disagree, that's how we see it and that's why we take this matter with the utmost seriousness: reading the Bible wrong can separate otherwise sincere people from the grace of God and send them to the Lake of Fire. As ambassadors, we're doing what we can to help prevent it.
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musterion
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Exactly the point.
Depends on what it is. "For" us is more a matter of learning from examples of those who have gone before, and also recognizing principles which can be found throughout the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Some of us refer to these as transdispensational truths (TDTs).
For example: God has given grace from the start and has desired and required faith. You already know that is a TDT: a constant that has never changed.
What has NOT remained constant - and here's where the confusion comes in - is how He has wanted faith expressed. What He has required people at different periods of history to do (or not do!) has varied widely to the point that it sometimes appears contradictory to the unlearned, which was the point I raised last night, as well as in the lion puzzle analogy.
Bottom line: we must not assume the faith specifics He requires of us today [our lion puzzle] are what He required before [Israel's lion puzzle] or will require in the future [the tribulation saints' lion puzzle]. There are similarities; grace and faith are at the core of them all. But the specifics can be, and are, very different. I suspect you'll agree with us on at least that much, in principle if not in practice.
Cross Reference
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Some fools here need to have their mail read to them by the Holy Spirit.
Cross Reference
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If he does, he is a fool.
This Israel thing is iffy.
Salvation and deliverance requires the Jews to recognize and discern Jesus in a Spirit body, in heaven, as the Son of God. They do not.
Salvation and deliverance requires the Jews to abandon and relegate the law and their esteeming of the law. This too they did not do.
vfirestormv
Member
Yes that much I do agree with (about grace and faith always being there.)
But where we again disagree is that there was ever a different gospel.
Paul quotes OT scripture time and time again to show the truths of the mystery of God. And many of them were also preached by Peter and the apostles. One very important example is Rom. 10:13
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
This good news (gospel) was preached by Joel
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.
It was also preached by Peter:
And even David rejoiced in the gospel of the resurrection of Christ, before it ever happened.
Acts 2:14-36 (KJV)
(14) But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
(15) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
(16) But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
(17) And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
(18) And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
(19) And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
(20) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
(21) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(22) Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
(23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
(24) Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
(25) For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
(26) Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
(27) Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
(28) Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
(29) Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
(30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
(31) He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
(32) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
(33) Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
(34) For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
(35) Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
(36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.