They say Islam won't conquer England...they even say Mohammedans don't want to

patrick jane

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Arthur Brain said:
Sure I will Dopey. I'll continue to walk past by the local mosque on the way into town where a myriad other folk do the same, walking their dogs, wearing what they like within British decency laws, wearing crosses if they want and the same thing will happen as it has for years, nothing.

You are just too irrational to even think your position through with some semblance of reason or intelligence. Go scour some more cranked out youtube videos cos that's your level, and you should be embarrassed at that.
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Where do you get your news? Is there "video" and "audio" involved? Ignoring facts because they're on Youtube is asinine.
 
Arthur Brain

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patrick jane said:
Where do you get your news? Is there "video" and "audio" involved? Ignoring facts because they're on Youtube is asinine.
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Various sources and I cross reference them to corroborate the veracity of a story. I sure don't go to youtube and I sure don't regard obviously biased sources, obvious editing and a music soundtrack as anything resembling "fact". The joke of a video in the OP is anything but but it sure feeds the conspiracy cranks because it bolsters their irrational bias already.
 
Arthur Brain

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everready said:
By the time England realizes the Muslim Trojan Horse is well within its walls it will be too late.. Isn't the mayor of London Muslim? Isn't he required to obey the Quran?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

everready
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Sadiq Khan?

He's British, born in Tooting in South London. I could go on about his politics but why bother when there's too many thick layers of tin foil to get through to with you dopes?

Far right fundies, incapable of rational thought since they put their hats on...or couldn't take them off depending...

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gcthomas

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everready said:
By the time England realizes the Muslim Trojan Horse is well within its walls it will be too late.. Isn't the mayor of London Muslim? Isn't he required to obey the Quran?

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

everready
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The mayor was for some years a lawyer and a civil rights advocate and campaigner. No - just as you can get Christian Socialists and right wing Christian Wing-nuts, you will find that most muslims in the UK are not in the far east because they didn't like the idea of a Musilm State, preferring to leave religious activities in the private sphere.
 
everready

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gcthomas said:
The mayor was for some years a lawyer and a civil rights advocate and campaigner. No - just as you can get Christian Socialists and right wing Christian Wing-nuts, you will find that most muslims in the UK are not in the far east because they didn't like the idea of a Musilm State, preferring to leave religious activities in the private sphere.
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And you believe them?

Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx

everready
 
gcthomas

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[MENTION=15822]everready[/MENTION], that is not an honest representation of Taqiyyah.

See here for a description with integrity:

"Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation. English renderings such as “precautionary dissimulation” or “prudent fear” partly convey the term’s meaning of self-protection in the face of danger to oneself or, by extension and depending upon the circumstances, to one’s fellow Muslims. Thus, taqiyyah may be used for either the protection of an individual or the protection of a community. Moreover, it is not used or even interpreted in the same way by every sect of Islam. Taqiyyah has been employed by the Shīʿites, the largest minority sect of Islam, because of their historical persecution and political defeats not only by non-Muslims but also at the hands of the majority Sunni sect."

Also, note that Taqiyyah predominantly applied to Shi'ite Muslims, and Muslims in the UK are mostly Sunni. You shouldn't base your anti Muslim rhetoric on the blogs of nationalistic, racist bigots, or you may damn yourself by association.
 
Arthur Brain

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musterion said:
Disinfo agents, both of them.
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Says the crank who links to a bloody 'Britain First' video, a far right nutball outfit although I bet you lap up anything like that don't you and consider it "news"?

I've met yak droppings that are more intelligent than you, as well as having more agreeableness about them...

:mock: dopey conspiracy nuts.

gcthomas said:
[MENTION=15822]everready[/MENTION], that is not an honest representation of Taqiyyah.

See here for a description with integrity:

"Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation. English renderings such as “precautionary dissimulation” or “prudent fear” partly convey the term’s meaning of self-protection in the face of danger to oneself or, by extension and depending upon the circumstances, to one’s fellow Muslims. Thus, taqiyyah may be used for either the protection of an individual or the protection of a community. Moreover, it is not used or even interpreted in the same way by every sect of Islam. Taqiyyah has been employed by the Shīʿites, the largest minority sect of Islam, because of their historical persecution and political defeats not only by non-Muslims but also at the hands of the majority Sunni sect."

Also, note that Taqiyyah predominantly applied to Shi'ite Muslims, and Muslims in the UK are mostly Sunni. You shouldn't base your anti Muslim rhetoric on the blogs of nationalistic, racist bigots, or you may damn yourself by association.
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He won't listen GC. These far right nutjobs are beyond the capacity for reason. They'll only listen to their little wingnut findings that confirm their own paranoid biases and prejudices.
 
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gcthomas said:
[MENTION=15822]everready[/MENTION], that is not an honest representation of Taqiyyah.

See here for a description with integrity:

"Taqiyyah, in Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury. Derived from the Arabic word waqa (“to shield oneself”), taqiyyah defies easy translation. English renderings such as “precautionary dissimulation” or “prudent fear” partly convey the term’s meaning of self-protection in the face of danger to oneself or, by extension and depending upon the circumstances, to one’s fellow Muslims. Thus, taqiyyah may be used for either the protection of an individual or the protection of a community. Moreover, it is not used or even interpreted in the same way by every sect of Islam. Taqiyyah has been employed by the Shīʿites, the largest minority sect of Islam, because of their historical persecution and political defeats not only by non-Muslims but also at the hands of the majority Sunni sect."

Also, note that Taqiyyah predominantly applied to Shi'ite Muslims, and Muslims in the UK are mostly Sunni. You shouldn't base your anti Muslim rhetoric on the blogs of nationalistic, racist bigots, or you may damn yourself by association.
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The discussion should be about why ISIS attacks Sufis, as in Egypt. Once you understand the doctrinal reason for that, the whole business is cleared up.

Islam has the unfortunate feature of a fearful moderate population that has lots of kids, and that is attacked fairly often by the fundamentalists' need to 'purge' out moderation. The birth rate alone will take over Europe, so they don't really need to attack outsiders/infidels. But there is no cure for this purging.

This doctrine itself comes from 'naqzic', which is much more to the point than 'al taqiyah.' 'Naqzic' is the verb for relating the moderate doctrines/revelations received at Mecca to the violent ones of Medina. It translates as 'abrogate' or 'overrule' or 'trump.' When he got socially and financially stuck at Mecca, Mo lashed out by creating the first caliphatized city. Surah 9 trumps all being latest.
 
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