Right Divider
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Nope. But thanks for the false accusation.
These are NOT the same gospel
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glorydaz
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Nonsense. Your idea was silly. Just admit it.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Oh you keepin track there? Keepin track of my sins? You're probably keepin track of my sins.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
I admit it's an ancient idea.
Right Divider
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Nope, none of the above.
But thanks for the false accusations.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
Ipso facto, RD!
Right Divider
Body part
Notso facto!
Exactly.
The composite message in all four gospel books (Matthew Mark Luke John) is the atoning forgiveness of sin (for the whole world, not just Israel) by His death on the cross, and His gift of life from death (for the whole world, not just Israel) by His resurrection from the grave.
Idolater
"Matthew 16:18-19" Dispensationalist (Catholic) χρ
In fact, I think, and I don't think I'm going out on a limb here, that's why they're called 'the Gospels'.
Right Divider
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I will repeat that the twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom for at least TWO YEARS without the "DBR".
How does that work? Since the gospel of the grace of God is nothing at all without the DBR.
How can they be "the same gospel"?
How does that work? Since the gospel of the grace of God is nothing at all without the DBR.
How can they be "the same gospel"?
glorydaz
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Peter and the twelve were zealous of the law. The kingdom gospel was all about LAW.
It simply boggles the mind that anyone would think the twelve preached Paul's gospel of grace.
glorydaz
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The good news of the Kingdom where Christ will sit upon the throne of David was the gospel the four were preaching.
glorydaz
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Show us the proof for this statement.
Yeah, their whole build up was to the death and resurrection of Christ.
But there had been other resurrections from death, even in the OT.
So just to teach that one had been resurrected was certainly rare, but not unheard of.
In all those instances there was a flesh man (an intercessor, a go-between) that raised them.
What made the resurrection of Christ so unique and news worthy was that no intercessor raised Him.
This one (Jesus) that died raised Himself.
That had never been seen before.
And shortly afterwards, at Pentecost, the whole world would learn of it through the mouths of the dispersed Jews that had heard the news and would go back to their homes to spread that good news.
Acts 2:5 ESV
(5) Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
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(9) Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
(10) Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome,
(11) both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
Right Divider
Body part
The gospel of the kingdom was the "good news" of the kingdom AT HAND.
Israel was promised a kingdom in the land. They will one day get that and the gentiles will be blessed by blessing Israel.
See Isaiah 60 and Revelation 21... those passages that I keep showing you and you keep ignoring.
How does anything in my post refute that?????
I have never denied the future restoration of the earthly kingdom of a once again united Israel.
Right Divider
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You have claimed (unless I'm misunderstanding you) that there is no more distinction between Jew and gentile forevermore.
Then you have misunderstood me.
The restoration of the earthly kingdom of a once again united Israel is an earthly promise.
The DBR of Christ was for the whole world (all people of any nation) and does not negate the earthly promise made to the earthly nation of Israel.
None of the apostles, including Paul, taught that it did negate it.
Right Divider
Body part
Who claimed otherwise? The problem is that the body of Christ is not Israel. You try to conflate the teaching and preaching of the twelve with the one. Paul was NOT chosen simply to repeat what the twelve taught.
The twelve continued to preach what Christ taught them on earth during His ministry to the circumcision.
Paul is that other different apostle that was given an abundance of revelation, including the mystery called the body of Christ.
Duh.
Certainly not me.
I have not claimed otherwise.
Jesus, the 12, and Paul taught mercy and grace above law.
Paul says he preached the gospel he once tried to destroy, which was that Jesus is the promised anointed one that would bring the whole world together.
And what the risen Christ taught them as well.
And to the Gentiles as well.
The body of Christ is composed of those that have believing faith in the DBR of Christ.
Glad you see they taught the same.