LA isn't very bright. Never has been.
There is no Hell
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LA isn't very bright. Never has been.
CR is quite the ignorant fellow, isn't he?
I'll bet you wish you were as smart as you pretend to be huh?
CherubRam
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"Lake of Fire" is a parable. The "Lake" represents a body of people, as in group. And the word "Fire" is used to mean "Judgement."
The Lake of Fire is the second death. It can't be Hell because Hell (Hades) is thrown into the Lake of Fire. Do you think that Hell is thrown into Hell in some kind of bizarre continuous loop?
The Doctrine of eternal torture in burning hell makes no sense and it is not supportable by the Bible.
The Bible specifically states that the wicked will perish, they will be destroyed and they will be no more.
I think that we, as Christians, should accept what the Bible says instead of the Medieval Tradition of Torture.
CherubRam
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[FONT="]The word "FIRE" used as a parable [/FONT]
[FONT="]This is a short list of the word FIRE being used to mean JUDGEMENT.
Psalm 78:21
When the LORD heard them, he was furious; his fire broke out against Jacob, and his wrath rose against Israel,
Psalm 79:5
How long, LORD? Will you be angry forever? How long will your jealousy burn like fire?
Psalm 89:46
How long, LORD? Will you hide yourself forever? How long will your wrath burn like fire?
Psalm 104:4
He makes spirits his messengers, flames of fire his servants.
Isaiah 4:4
The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
Isaiah 66:15
See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isaiah 66:16
For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment on all people, and many will be those slain by the LORD.
Deuteronomy 32:22. For a fire has been kindled by my wrath, one that burns to the realm of sheol below.
Amos 7:4
This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: The Sovereign LORD was calling for judgment by fire; it dried up the great deep and devoured the land.
Hebrews 10:27
but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
The word "fire and lightning" is often used as a parable to mean judgment. In one place the word "coal" means judgment. And where there is smoke there is fire, so the word smoke can also be used as a parable to mean judgment.
KJV
Revelation 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
If Hell is done away with in the second death, then how can there be anyone to torment? [/FONT]
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[FONT="]This is a short list of the word FIRE being used to mean JUDGEMENT.
Psalm 78:21
When the LORD heard them, he was furious; his fire broke out against Jacob, and his wrath rose against Israel,
Psalm 79:5
How long, LORD? Will you be angry forever? How long will your jealousy burn like fire?
Psalm 89:46
How long, LORD? Will you hide yourself forever? How long will your wrath burn like fire?
Psalm 104:4
He makes spirits his messengers, flames of fire his servants.
Isaiah 4:4
The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion; he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit of judgment and a spirit of fire.
Isaiah 66:15
See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isaiah 66:16
For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment on all people, and many will be those slain by the LORD.
Deuteronomy 32:22. For a fire has been kindled by my wrath, one that burns to the realm of sheol below.
Amos 7:4
This is what the Sovereign LORD showed me: The Sovereign LORD was calling for judgment by fire; it dried up the great deep and devoured the land.
Hebrews 10:27
but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
2 Peter 3:7
By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.
The word "fire and lightning" is often used as a parable to mean judgment. In one place the word "coal" means judgment. And where there is smoke there is fire, so the word smoke can also be used as a parable to mean judgment.
KJV
Revelation 14:10
The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
If Hell is done away with in the second death, then how can there be anyone to torment? [/FONT]
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There can't be anyone left to torment, the wicked will have been destroyed. But God is not interested in tormenting anyone anyway. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, God is not a sadist.
way 2 go
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it says "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire"
not done away with
and the lake of fire is not annihilation
Rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
it's surely not surly
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CherubRam
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I never knew there was such a word. Thanks for the info.
CherubRam
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[FONT="]Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
2 Peter 2:9
if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
Jude 1:7
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.[/FONT]
Matthew, Peter and Jude say Punishment. Torment in Hell is a Pagan belief and has nothing to do with Orthodox Judaism, for which Christianity is based upon.
Ben Masada
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You are being too literal again Jamie. The point is about salvation aka escape from Hell, and Jesus, the one rendering this parable to us was quite clear about the means to achieve it; by listen to "Moses" aka the Law. There is no reason to struggle for any other point. (Luke 16:29-31)
Ben Masada
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And every single time the Hell word is found in the Tanach is in the sense of Sheol aka the grave. In the NT, the Hellenist mean of hell-is due to the Hellenist gospel of Paul who was a Hellenist Jew from the Greek city of Tarsus in the Philistia.
CherubRam
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Where is the proof that Paul was a Hellenist from Tarsus?
dodge
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Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Hell is for unbelievers . . . and gays
dodge
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By their lifestyle homosexuals are unbelievers !
CherubRam
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The opposite of life is death. The eternal punishment of the condemned is eternal death. If you guys would read what I wrote, I would not have to keep repeating myself.
dodge
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I read your OP it is wrong.
Mat 25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Jesus taught more on hell than He did on heaven, because HE wanted none to go there.
The second death is not the END but the beginning of what Jesus taught as eternal punishment in Mt.25:46.