godrulz said:Exactly! This is the essentials of the faith, not spiritual gifts. I am sure you also affirm the authority of Scripture over subjective feelings.
Evee said:Once saved always saved?
I bought a lottery ticket one for myself and one for my sister, She said if I win it is mine I said of course it is a gift.
Now I am not sure if that is the way God looks at it or not though.
Sozo said:godrulz... From God's vantage point, it is not enough to just say you believe something. It matters what is truly in the heart, and what is truly in the heart is revealed in what a person says, and therefore you can know what they truly believe.
When someone says that they are "saved by grace", it must be known what meaning they pour into the words "saved" and "grace".
You cannot say "I am saved by grace through faith", and also say I am not saved if I do this or that. It destroys the meanings of the words grace, faith, and saved, and that tells you that the person did not believe in the first place.
Jimmy West said:It is written that issues of the spirit are foolishness to those who are carnal:
1 Corinthians 2
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
You are still on milk and have not yet grown into solid food:
1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,
even as unto babes in Christ.
2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear
it, neither yet now are ye able.
3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and
divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Jimmy West said:You need to realize that scripture does not tell us everything. It definately does not even touch the surface concerning the nature and character of God. There are those who will say that the Bible contains everything that we need to know. Does that mean the anything that is not in scripture is un-scriptural?
Jimmy West said:It is written that issues of the spirit are foolishness to those who are carnal:
1 Corinthians 2
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
You are still on milk and have not yet grown into solid food:
1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal,
even as unto babes in Christ.
2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear
it, neither yet now are ye able.
3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and
divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Jimmy West said:A person can loose (lose) their salvation by living a sinful lifestyle where they continue sinning without attempting to stop, while knowing that they are sinning. When that happens, they are considered to have voluntarily given up their salvation.
Sozo said:These verses are addressing an understanding of the things of God revealed to us in the gospel, not new revelations proclaimed by a false teacher like yourself.
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That interpretation is yours and an assumption. Would you care for some wisdom?
Sozo said:Point # 2
Here Jimmy proves that he does not believe in salvation by grace through faith. He believes that you are saved by your ability to refrain from sin. He believes in salvation through human effort, not the blood of Jesus.
Hole # 2 Par 3
Sozo - A hole in one!!
Jimmy - Out of bounds - threw his club - disqualified!
Game over!
Sozo :first:
Sozo said:These verses are addressing an understanding of the things of God revealed to us in the gospel, not new revelations proclaimed by a false teacher like yourself.
I see that you play golf! I will as easily continue to prove you a false teacher on this forum, as I would to humiliate you on the course.
Hole #1 Par 5
Sozo - 3 Eagle
Jimmy- 8 Triple Bogey
You are currently five strokes back! :chuckle:
Jimmy West said:NO! You do not get salvation through human effort, but you keep it through human effort!
Sozo said:Point # 2
Here Jimmy proves that he does not believe in salvation by grace through faith. He believes that you are saved by your ability to refrain from sin. He believes in salvation through human effort, not the blood of Jesus.
Hole # 2 Par 3
Sozo - A hole in one!!
Jimmy - Out of bounds - threw his club - disqualified!
Game over!
Sozo :first:
Jimmy West said:NO! You do not get salvation through human effort, but you keep it through human effort!
Jimmy West said:You do not get salvation through human effort, but you keep it through human effort!
Sozo said::chuckle:
Okay, I've had a chance to settle down...
Jimmy, you have just reduced Jesus from being our Savior, to nothing more than a probation officer :Clete: .
Jimmy West said:NO! You do not get salvation through human effort, but you keep it through human effort!
Sozo said:"godrulz... From God's vantage point..."
Jimmy West said:If he was our Savior as you think he is, then all would be saved. The act of accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, in itself, is a WORK!