The Ultimate Condemnation of Believers Who Continue to Sin
Nameless just does NOT believe the 10 or so NT verses that say ...
we must "practice righteousness" to be considered righteous in God's eyes.
This must be done to remain in the righteous state that Jesus put us in.
Saving faith = your faith + your reasonable service of obedience!
God's grace allows this to be sufficient for salvation.
Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God,
which is your reasonable service."
ZacharyB,
You believe that you are without sin and do not sin, according to your message here. You believe that righteousness is to be perfect like Jesus, according to your demeanor.
You believe that Jesus muscled out righteousness in sinful flesh and so should we, according to your use of scripture.
Saving faith = your faith + your reasonable service of obedience!
God's grace allows this to be sufficient for salvation.
You combined human effort with salvation right here and minimized the amount of Grace Jesus provides. How is this equation any different than GT's? Our service is to Love! You are teaching self righteousness is part of the equation. Our obedience is to believe and Love. Read the entire works of John in scripture. We all struggle with sin. Do you proclaim yourself sinless in the flesh?
Your teaching invalidates our need for the sacrifice of Jesus and suggests that He had sinful flesh. He was Perfect! He was fully man, but He was Perfect. He is God! We are not. Obedience of Jesus is not in our fleshly walk. The Holy Spirit does that for us over time, and we do not count that work, our work.
For if righteousness comes from Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.
I believe we have the blessing of growing in the character of Christ's Love.
I acknowledge that the Holy Spirit works in us to yield the fruits of the Spirit.
However, I acknowledge what Pauls says......
What a wretched man I am!
Would you argue with Paul on this matter?
You do realize that I paraphrase Paul on a regular basis, right?
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Romans 7 (HCSB)
An Illustration from Marriage
Since I am speaking to those who understand law, brothers, are you unaware that the law has authority over someone as long as he lives? 2 For example, a married woman is legally bound to her husband while he lives. But if her husband dies, she is released from the law regarding the husband. 3 So then, if she gives herself to another man while her husband is living, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law. Then, if she gives herself to another man, she is not an adulteress.
4 Therefore, my brothers, you also were put to death in relation to the law through the crucified body of the Messiah, so that you may belong to another—to Him who was raised from the dead—that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions operated through the law in every part of us and bore fruit for death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.
Sin’s Use of the Law
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7 What should we say then? Is the law sin? Absolutely not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin if it were not for the law. For example, I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, Do not covet.
8 And sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind. For apart from the law sin is dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life 10 and I died. The commandment that was meant for life resulted in death for me.
11 For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me, and through it killed me. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good.
The Problem of Sin in Us [emoji118]
13 Therefore, did what is good cause my death?
Absolutely not!
On the contrary, sin, in order to be recognized as sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that through the commandment, sin might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am made out of flesh, sold into sin’s power.
15 For I do not understand what I am doing, because I do not practice what I want to do, but I do what I hate. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 So now I am no longer the one doing it, but it is sin living in me.
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For I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my flesh. For the desire to do what is good is with me, but there is no ability to do it. 19 For I do not do the good that I want to do, but I practice the evil that I do not want to do. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but it is the sin that lives in me.
21 So I discover this principle: When I want to do what is good, evil is with me. 22 For in my inner self I joyfully agree with God’s law. 23 But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body.
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What a wretched man I am!
Who will rescue me from this dying body? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with my mind I myself am a slave to the law of God,
but with my flesh, to the law of sin. [emoji118]
~~~~~~~~ So what is Paul Saying here ZacheryB?
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Galatians 2:
17 But if we ourselves are also found to be “sinners” while seeking to be justified by Christ, is Christ then a promoter of sin? Absolutely not!
18 If I rebuild the system I tore down, I show myself to be a lawbreaker.
19 For through the law I have died to the law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ.
20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died for nothing.
Romans 4:
4 Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.
David Celebrating the Same Truth
6 Likewise, David also speaks of the blessing of the man God credits righteousness to apart from works:
7 How joyful are those whose lawless acts are forgiven
and whose sins are covered!
8 How joyful is the man
the Lord will never charge with sin.
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