Re. post #1157, by Mr. Religion....
You need to study some more yourself, sir. The scriptures you quote are verses that can be analyzed and shown to be much different than what you are saying they are. If what you believe about them is true, they
CONTRADICT hundreds of other scriptures. You show a surface understanding of Scripture, and you are really not familiar with the whole Bible. If you were, you would see clearly the supremacy of Jehovah, the Most High.
To disassemble your portrayal of John 8:58 as Jesus claiming to be God, check this out:
Jesus was not expressing any idea that he was God. What was he really saying? Many scholars will admit and attest to the fact that Jesus was not uttering "I Am" in some mysterious fashion in John 8:58. See the following list of other versions that show that "I Am" is a puny translation of what Jesus was saying.
(1) The 1960 and 1973 printings of the
New American Standard Bible also has "
I have been" as a variant reading in the margin.
(2)
The Living New Testament: "The absolute truth is that
I was in existence before Abraham was ever born."
(3)
The Twentieth Century New Testament: "before Abraham existed
I was."
(4) Noyes, G.R.N.T. (1878): "Jesus said to them, 'truly,truly, do I say to you, from before Abraham was,
I have been.'"
(5)
Parker,P.G. Clarified N.T.: "Jesus answered, before Abraham existed,
I existed."
(6)
Cotton Patch Version (1970): "To this Jesus replied, '
I existed before Abraham was born'."
(7)
Good News for the World (1969): "Jesus answered, I tell you the truth,
I already WAS before Abraham was born."
(8)
The Complete Bible, An American Translation Goodspeed: "I tell you
I existed before Abraham was born."
(9)
New Believers Bible, New Living Translation: "
I existed before Abraham was even born."
(10)
The New Testament, C.B. Williams: "I solemnly say to you,
I existed before Abraham was born."
There are over 20 more versions that say the same thing. Was Jesus claiming to be "I Am"? NO.
The rest of your arguments can be dismantled as well. I can do that in subsequent posts, if you insist on posting this spurious stuff.
Credit to:
http://robertangle.com/ruminations/...ations-that-recognize-jesus-did-not-say-i-am/