We sure took this Trinity thread off the beaten path!
:cheers:Yeah, let's get back on.
We sure took this Trinity thread off the beaten path!
I think that this comes from thinking from a human perspective. It's hard to even image "outside of time" or "no time".I would have to say that the Father has always loved the Son.
How do you love without time?
I mean, what could even be done if it was timeless?
There are many quote-unquote Trinitarian verses in Scripture. All's that's needed to seal the deal on this topic, is to show that the post-Apostle Church was One, and that she believed and taught the Trinity, both of which are manifestly true. To even entertain the notion of non-Trinitarianism. Is untenable, based upon the likelihood of the vast, covert conspiracy that must have instead occurred, for the Apostles to have not taught and believed themselves, in the Trinity.Yeah, let's get back on.
Matthew 28:19-20 King James Version (KJV)
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
You take everything that we believe about God, and then you take this wonderful sentence of yours, and you can really see things in His parables in the same way in which He saw us.The Son of God ENTERED into the Creation AS A MAN.
Good luck to you on that.There are many quote-unquote Trinitarian verses in Scripture. All's that's needed to seal the deal on this topic, is to show that the post-Apostle Church was One, and that she believed and taught the Trinity, both of which are manifestly true. To even entertain the notion of non-Trinitarianism. Is untenable, based upon the likelihood of the vast, covert conspiracy that must have instead occurred, for the Apostles to have not taught and believed themselves, in the Trinity.
Thanks.Good luck to you on that.
Thanks.
Jesus says he himself will live in the saved.
The scriptures say God the Father will live in the saved.
The scriptures also say there is one Spirit.
Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit of God the Father.
John 14
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
The is definitely 2 here!
You are correct. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus also said "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”John 14
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
The is definitely 2 here!
Read more carefully...there are three, but the three are one, and one means the same.
So you quote John 14:23 which tells us that the Father and Jesus will come to live with us, but you neglect to know the scripture that says there is only one Spirit. When we are saved the scriptures say we are given THE Holy Spirit. NOT HOLY SPIRITS with an 's'. So then, how do you get they are not one and the same when they both live in us and there is only ONE SPIRIT?
I will tell you how, it is because they are ONE AND THE SAME.
Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son.
I can give you many scriptures that say Jesus IS the Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;
Ephesians 2:18 Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Sorry GT I don't see that as you do,
You are correct. Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus also said "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.â€
So when did Jesus become the Son of God?
Jesus has always been the son of God, and he had always been under subjection to the father. He said that he came not to do his will, but to do the will of he who sent him.... The father. He also said the words he spoke were not his, but his father's, and every word that he heard, he spoke. He said without the father he could do nothing, and he said that the father was greater than he.
There is one God, and he is the father. As Jesus himself says in the Bible!
He said to Mary, I go to my father and your father, my God and your God.
Sorry GT I don't see that as you do, Jesus is not the father, he didn't pray to himself and he didn't strengthen himself either, God who is the father did.
And Jesus says that the father will send the comforter, so Jesus isn't the holy spirit either but his life is made manifest in our hearts by the spirit. All three are separate but they are all one in nature/essence.
But the father is above all, he is God. And he is the God, father and head of Christ. As it clearly says in the Bible.
This verse shows that Jesus isn't the father
John 14
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
These verses show that Jesus isn't the holy spirit
John 16
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.