Keypurr here thinks that Christ and Jesus are two separate beings.
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keypurr
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Christ is the IMAGE of God.
All images are creations.
Christ is the first born of all creatures. Col 1:15.
All creatures are creations, not God.
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All images are creations.
Christ is the first born of all creatures. Col 1:15.
All creatures are creations, not God.
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keypurr
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You contradict yourself in saying there is more than one creator.
Context, context, context.
Yeah, I know.
keypurr
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Sorry that the words in the Bible disturb you but that is what it says friend. I had nothing to do with what is in the Bible. It says very clearly in Hebrew 1 and Col 1 that God used his son to create all.
Consider Genesis 1
And the spirit of God moved across the face of the waters.
Was it God or the spirit (son) that is the creator?
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keypurr
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keypurr
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However, you are responsible to properly interpret it.
keypurr
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So then how do you interpret these ones?
Jesus Christ’s Self-focus:
“Follow Me”*19x*Mt.*4:19;*8:22;*10:38;*16:24;*19:21;*Mk.*1:17;*2:14;*8:34;*10:21;*Lk.*5:27;*9:59;*18:22;*Jn.*1:43;*8:12;*10:27;*12:26;*13:36;*21:19,*22
Pray and act “in My name”*18x*Mt.*7:22;*18:5;*18:20; [24:5];*Mk.*9:37,*39,*41; [13:6];*Lk.*9:48; [21:8]; 24:47;*Jn.*14:13?14; 15:16; 16:23?24, 26;*Acts*9:15
“the Holy Spirit” comes “in My name”*Jn.*14:26
“for My name’s sake” leave family and property*Mt.*19:29; or even be killed*5x*Mt.*24:9; [Lk.*21:12,*17;]*Jn.*15:21;*Acts*9:16
Believe in the “name of the… Son” and “in the Son”*3xJn.* 3:18,*36;*9:35*and “in Him [Jesus]”*4x*Jn.*3:18;*6:29,*40;*8:31
“believe in Me”*14x*Mt.*18:6;*Mk.*9:42;*Jn.*3:15?16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20
You “are sanctified by faith in Me”*Acts*26:18
Live “in Me”*Jn.*11:26
“come after Me”*Mk.*8:34;*Lk.*14:27
Abide “in Me”*Jn.*15:2,*4:5,*7*“abide in Me” or else*Jn.*15:6*“abide in My love”*Jn.*15:9?10
“where two or three are gathered,” Jesus is “there in the midst of them”*Mt.*18:20
So too: “I [Jesus, will abide] in you”*Jn.*15:4?5
“know that I am He”*Jn.*8:28*or “if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins”*Jn.*8:24
Do things “for My sake”*Mt.*10:22,*39; even lose your life “for My sake”*4x*Mt.*16:25;*Mk.*8:35;*10:29;*Lk.*6:22
“I never knew you, depart from Me”*Mt.*7:23
“I am willing; be cleansed”*Mt.*8:3; Mk..*1:41
”confess Me”*Mt.*10:32;*Lk.*12:8
Do not deny “Me”*7x*Mt.*10:33;*26:34;*Mk.*14:30,*72;*Lk.*12:9;*22:34;*Jn.*13:38
Do not be “ashamed of Me”*Mk.*8:38;*Lk.*9:26*nor "My words"
“love Me”*5x*Jn.*14:15,*21,*23?24, 28
Do not reject “Me”*Lk.*10:16;*Jn.*12:48
“He who is not with Me is against Me”*Lk.*11:23
Love Me “more than” your family members*Mt.*10:37; [Lk.*14:26]
“I… have loved you”*Jn.*15:9,*12
Be “worthy of Me”*Mt.*10:37?38
“Come to Me”*5x*Mt.*11:28;*Lk.*6:47;*Jn.*5:40;*6:35;*7:37
“I will give you rest”*Mt.*11:28
“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light”*Mt.*11:30
I am “greater than the temple” “than Jonah” “than Solomon”*Mt.*12:6,*41?42
I am “Lord even of the Sabbath”*Mt.*12:8;*Mk.*2:28;*Lk.*6:5*[Lord of God's Ten Commandments]
Thus He says keep “My commandments”*4x*Jn.*14:15,*21;*15:10,*12
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you”*Jn.*15:14
“keep My word”*Jn.*14:23?24
“He who is not with Me is against Me”*Mt.*12:30
The angels are “His angels”*Mt.*13:41;*16:27*and He commands “His angels”*Mt.*24:31;*Mk. 13:27
The kingdom is “His kingdom”*Mt.*13:41*and He calls it “My kingdom”*Lk.*22:30
Jesus called it “My church”*Mt.*16:18*and believers are “My sheep”*Jn.*10:14,*27*and they are “His elect”*Mt. 24:31;*Mk. 13:27
Paul is a “vessel of Mine to bear My name”*Acts*9:15
“all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine”*Jn.*17:10
“My peace I give”*Jn.*14:27*”in Me you may have peace”*Jn.*16:33
“My joy” should fill you*Jn.*15:11
“Who do men say that I am?”*Mt.*16:13;*Mk.*8:27*“who do you say that I am?”*Mt. 16:15
Receive “Me”*Mt.*18:5;*Mk.*9:37;*Lk.*9:48
“My words” will never pass away*Mt.*24:35;*Mk.*13:31;*Lk.*21:33
Tell others about Jesus*Mk.*5:19
“you belong to Christ”*Mk.*9:41
Hear “My sayings” and do them*Lk.*6:47
Jesus has “His own glory”*Lk.*9:26; [Jn.*2:11;*16:14] The Son is “glorified”*8x*Jn.*11:4;*12:23;*13:31?32; [17:1, 5, 10 24]
“He who hears you hears Me”*Lk.*10:16
Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary*1xLk.*19:37?40
Return “to Me”*Lk.*22:32
Be “My disciple”*Lk.*14:27;*Jn.*8:31;*15:8*Forsake all to “be My disciple”*Lk.*14:33*”you are My disciples”*Jn.*13:35
“I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit”*Jn.*15:26;*16:7
The Holy Spirit “will testify of Me”*Jn.*15:26
We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that “the Scriptures… testify of Me”*Jn.*5:39; [Lk.*24:44]
“You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me”*Jn.*15:27
Paul gives “testimony concerning Me”*Acts*22:18;*23:11
“the Son gives life to whom He will”*Jn.*5:21
“seek Me”*Jn.*6:26
Serve “Me”*Jn.*12:26
“all should honor the Son*just as they honor the Father”*Jn.*5:23
“I am the bread of life,” “of heaven,” “of God”*Jn.*6: 32-33,*35,*41, [48,] 51
Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe [Jn.*6:36] him”*Jn.*6:56
Drink “My blood” and eat “My flesh”*Jn.*6:53?54, 56
“I will raise him up at the last day”*Jn.*6:40*for He is the resurrection
“The world… hates Me”*Jn.*7:7
“I am the light of the world”*Jn.*8:12;*9:5;*12:46
“I bear witness of Myself” 1x*Jn.*8:13-14,*18
“know… Jesus Christ” for “eternal life”*Jn.*17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14]
“the Son makes you free”*Jn.*8:36
“Abraham rejoiced to see My day”*Jn.*8:56; “Before Abraham was, I*AM”*Jn.*8:58
Of believers, Christ said, “I know them”*Jn.*10:27
“I give them eternal life”*Jn.*10:28
“I am the resurrection and the life”*Jn.*11:25
I “will draw all peoples*to Myself”*Jn.*12:32
“I will… receive you to Myself”*Jn.*14:3
Be “Mine”*Jn.*14:24
“I am the vine”*Jn.*15:5
“without Me you can do nothing”*Jn.*15:5
“You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you”*Jn.*15:16
Those who oppress Christians are “persecuting Me”*Acts*9:4?5; 22:7?8; 26:14?15
“because they have not known… Me”*Jn.*16:3
The Spirit “will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it”*Jn.*16:14
“All things that the Father has are Mine”*Jn.*16:15
“the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me”*Jn.*16:27
“If I will that he remain”*Jn.*21:22
“I have overcome the world”*Jn.*16:33
“I am the way”*Jn.*14:6
“I am… the truth”*Jn.*14:6
“I am… the life”*Jn.*14:6
“I will… manifest Myself”*Jn.*14:21
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you have the audacity to say show me my error. I have done so for at least ten years. Ever since you came up with your silly theory and before.
keypurr
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Cut and paste dribble.
Reword it in your own words.
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It's a list of verses, not an opinion. Answer the question I asked in that post.
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keypurr
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Are you going to produce scripture that says God did not create through his son or are you just going to rant and rave?
Waiting for scripture BR. If I am wrong show me.
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keypurr
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Let's do it verse by verse.
You start, one verse at a time.
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What are you talking about? I asked one question about all of the verses.
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