Jehovah's Witnesses are no more "cultists" than Jesus and his disciples were in the 1st century! But that is how the Jews and the pagan Romans felt about them.
Do you belong to the church?
Jehovah's Witnesses are no more "cultists" than Jesus and his disciples were in the 1st century! But that is how the Jews and the pagan Romans felt about them.
Did you read post#97 BTW the Holy Spirit is separate from the Father.I believe that Jesus is an important, powerful being---that is what "god" means. Jehovah is the only ALMIGHTY God. Jesus himself said the Father was greater than he was, and that didn't end when he went back to heaven (as I Corinthians 11:3, and other verses, shows). The H.S. is definitely a force, and it comes FROM God. It is Jehovah's means by which He does anything.
I have been paying attention to the many threads on this site. Your idea about the Holy Spirit is incredibly skewed. It is not a person that thinks and speaks independently. The H.S. is what Jehovah Himself USES to speak or create or do anything He wants to do.
Just proves that he didn't mind being coequal with the Father.
No, he can be coequal and subordinate.
Do you belong to the church?
YOU are so numb above your neck that it's pathetic. Are you really that dense?
Jesus didn't consider grasping equality. That means he didn't have it already, and he didn't mind being subordinate to the Father, God.
And yes, I read post 97. Did you read my reply???
I have been a baptized Jehovah's Witness for 40 years. I was baptized in 1975, after joyfully leaving the Southern Baptist Church.
I have been a baptized Jehovah's Witness for 40 years. I was baptized in 1975, after joyfully leaving the Southern Baptist Church.
That is a very nice scripture that teaches a Unitarian view is needed for salvation.
If you do not believe that God (not Jesus) raised the Lord Jesus (not God) from the dead, you will not be saved.
If, on the other hand, you believe that God raised God from the dead, then you are not doing what the verse states is necessary to be saved.
Do you have anything that actually teaches that we must believe the Trinity doctrine to be saved?
The overwhelming majority of scriptures teach us to use a Unitarian view.
To prove it, search the New Testament and find out how many times the word God is used for the Father, how many times the word God is used for Jesus, and how many times the word God is used for the Holy Spirit.
Then compare the numbers and see what you come up with.
Then add in the numbers of times the word God is used for the Father in the Old Testament.
Since the doctrine of the Trinity is not taught by the Bible, the Bible also does not teach a person must believe the doctrine to be saved.
Why does that simple fact upset most Trinitarians so much?
The spirit son came down to dwell in the body prepared for him in Heb 10:5.
I have been a baptized Jehovah's Witness for 40 years. I was baptized in 1975, after joyfully leaving the Southern Baptist Church.
Jehovah is merely saying that He is the only SOURCE of power. He has it all, and He will give it to whom He wishes.
You've been shown this many times. The Word was God from the beginning. John 1:1KJV
That you keep calling our Lord and Saviour an "IT" is what proves you have no Saviour as yet.
That blood HE is dripping with was shed for you and you call HIM an IT? :nono:
Revelation 19:13
And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
'Spirit Son'.....pops?
From where do you come up with that?
The Word became flesh....not the 'Spirit Son'...
And The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. And we beheld His glory, glory as of an only begotten from the Father, full of grace and of truth. (John 1.14)
Are you a Jew?
Being in an Ad Hoc mode is obvious that you don't agree on the Philippians passage.
Thought I would return the favor. You are numb in that you can't comprehend the simplicity of what it is to have personality. The Holy Spirit, having personality separates him from the Father. He is a distinct person. He is God.
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Christ IS the POWER and Wisdom of God. You can't separate the Father, Son, and Spirit....they are one. Jesus is the visible of the invisible.....the Glory of God, the Power of God, the Wisdom of God, and His name is called the WORD of God.
You will not understand Apple7, it is way beyond your ability to see truth.
The WORD is the express image spoke of in Heb 1:3 and Col 1:15. Jesus is the man that held that spirit. The WORD became flesh in the body God provided for him.
Nope.
None of that is mentioned in the verses you referenced.
How about this:
ARAMAIC ENGLISH NEW TESTAMENT
YOCHANAN (JOHN)
Chapter 1
1. In the beginning was the Miltha. And that Miltha was with Elohim. And Elohim was that Miltha.
2. This was with Elohim in the beginning.
3. Everything existed through his hands……….
Miltha refers to the “Manifestation” of the Ruach haKodesh within Mashiyach. The physical body of Mashiyach is not the Word of YHWH, but his words and actions demonstrate the Will and Word of YHWH, which upholds observance of Torah.
Miltha is the spiritual son of Elohim (God).
Mashiyach refers to Messiah Y’shua (Jesus Christ)
YHWH is the name of the most high God.
Ruach haKodesh is the Holy Spirit.
Elohim is God or a god, it can refer to more than the creator.
Seek truth.