The Trinity

The Trinity


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Clete

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Absolutely.
Premise 1 acknowledged and conceded.

Absolutely False.
God does both.
Contradiction. A thing cannot be both arbitrary and non-arbitrary.

This is called the law of excluded middle. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. A thing either is or it is not - can't be both.


Now, because I know you'll ignore that argument and simply repeat your bald assertion unless I point it out, that was a fully rational and completely devastating argument against your position. Refute it or accept that you cannot.

You are STILL wrong.
Saying it doesn't make it so.

Absolutely.
Once again a now redundant acknowledgement of the first major premise.

(Which is sufficient in itself to falsify your doctrine. God cannot be both just and arbitrary.)

Absolutely False.
Saying it doesn't make it so!

Further, denying this contradicts the premise that you just acknowledged was "ABSOLUTELY" true!

If you think otherwise then please, by all means, tell us what the reason was for your god's admittedly "absolutely" arbitrary decision that Jesus must die.

Come on, now! Don't flake out. Tell us! What's the reason for God's arbitrary decision!

Blasphemy.

This implies not only that Jesus was a mere man but that God is unjust.

So, are you telling us, IF God WAS willing to COUNT the death of one man as payment .... that is NOT GRACE?????
Stupid question.

If God counted the death of a maggot as payment, would that be grace too?

If so, then why did Jesus and the Father have to suffer through the events at Calvary? Calvary was just a complete waste of time if your logic was even close to being right. God could have just as easily (easier really) had the High Priest stomp on an ant and said that was sufficient and chalked the rest up to grace. In fact, why kill the ant? Why not just right the whole thing off as grace and be done with it?

Further, to say that Christ death wasn't of sufficient value to pay the entire sin debt is to say that God did as good as He could do but wasn't really able to find a way to really pay off the actual debt and so is willing to just let the rest of it slide - no biggy.

God is willing to COUNT belief/faith as RIGHTEOUSNESS;
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
THIS is a Biblical definition of "Grace".
Not according to you! According to you, everything short of justice is grace. The less justice the more grace.

If God is unjust He IS NOT GOD!

Of course. There are many. I'm curious what YOUR definition of Grace is... and where would you show it stated in Scripture?
You want to change the subject and debate my beliefs. I'm here to grind your blasphemous doctrine into powder. I couldn't care less what you think about my doctrine.

God COUNTED Christ's death as justification, because of Christ's faith and obedience.
Christ's death was justification because His life wasn't just perfectly lived, but because it, being the very life of God Himself, was of infinite worth. Thus God is able to be gracious and merciful while remaining perfectly just.

The rest of your post merely builds upon your errors.
Meaning you're too lazy to do a full response.

Resting in Him,
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Clete

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Easy big girl...no need the hot flashes...

Not wanting to refute you...but merely that what He says is because it is...

Many claim the laws could be changed despite His saying what IS...and is to be...on earth as it is in heaven

And He spoke and it was so...and He called it good...because He made it so...because He knows what good is...because He is good...perfect even

Accepting He is good and saves is why we wish to do the law...

The law is not an instructional manual on how to get saved but an owner’s manual on how to achieve maximum satisfaction now that we are owners of His gift of salvation

...you know...like the other gifts made for you but you rejected...Sabbath...woman?

So, you're trolling the thread and trying to change the subject to law vs grace or some such thing?

Would you please just go away! Does anyone even read your posts or think you've got 3 ounces of gray matter between your ears?


Okay - that's it! Back to ignore with you.
 

clefty

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So, you're trolling the thread and trying to change the subject to law vs grace or some such thing?

Would you please just go away! Does anyone even read your posts or think you've got 3 ounces of gray matter between your ears?


Okay - that's it! Back to ignore with you.

You MAD bro? Yeah he MAD...oh man classic but still funny

I ain’t here to change nothing...but restore things to what they were before they were changed by yours...

The thread topic is trinity and before man his traditions constructed a trinity they changed His laws first...

Is why when He reveals His Law He reveals His character His Being It’s perfection and peace that where He is His Law is kept...best get used to that...perfection...Immortal all the rest is begotten created or born
 
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SabathMoon

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Grace by Christian definition is a blasphemy. Mankind although created by the creator is so corrupt that he needs grace to do anything just. One could argue this makes God unjust, but God failed in no such way and believes no such grace. Otherwise, punishment is grace, and so is the son's crucifixion.
 

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Grace by Christian definition is a blasphemy. Mankind although created by the creator is so corrupt that he needs grace to do anything just. One could argue this makes God unjust, but God failed in no such way and believes no such grace. Otherwise, punishment is grace, and so is the son's crucifixion.

Man was created in a state of grace. Man "fell from grace" by reason of original sin.
 

SabathMoon

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Man was created in a state of grace. Man "fell from grace" by reason of original sin.

You don't understand the story. God used Satan to open mankind's eyes, but there had to be consequences for mankind not being blind. Secondly, it wasn't grace, but the connection to God which mankind lost.
 

Clete

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Grace by Christian definition is a blasphemy. Mankind although created by the creator is so corrupt that he needs grace to do anything just. One could argue this makes God unjust, but God failed in no such way and believes no such grace. Otherwise, punishment is grace, and so is the son's crucifixion.

Umm...

What?
 

rstrats

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Not that it proves anything of course, but with regard to the Trinity I think it's interesting to note that Paul never once includes the Holy Spirit in any of his letter's salutations.
 

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SabathMoon

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Neither is the Grace of Jesus Christ nor the love of God a person.

But Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are.
But the distinction is everywhere in the verse. The Holy Spirit though god himself is even given a separate action. And the father and the holy spirit are almost exactly the same, except they have 2 different reputations or names. Notice how the word God is used instead of father as well.
 

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2,000 years latter you people argue over that which was settled by the Church almost 2,000 years ago. What is wrong with you.

God is Trinity.
God is one Being, three Persons.
God is Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

There is no debate.

Move along and do something constructive for Pete's sake
 
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