The tribulation starts in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029

[Grosnick Marowbe]

WatchmanOnTheWall, What "CULT" are you affiliated with?

 

[genuineoriginal]

God can not DO evil.

God never said He can not DO evil.

That's what I said. So we agree there.

No, I did not say what you said.
You are the one claiming that God can not DO evil.
God never made that claim.
Instead God makes several claims about Him doing evil, which I provided.

If you think God cannot DO evil, then you do not know God, since God Himself states that He does evil in certain circumstances.

 

[daqq]

And what day was it that you said Jesus would return in 2029?
Wasn't it the 24th of September 2029, O prophet? :chuckle:

Well to be more accurate Jesus returns on the clouds on the Day of Atonement and sets foot on the Mount of Olives at Tabernacles. According to Torah Calendar that will be the 19th and 24th of September 2029 respectively:

http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?PYM=Y2029M7

Ahah, so now we have another piece of the pseudo-prophecy puzzle of WatchmanOnTheWall, who has made yet another prediction-prognostication: the appearance of the Anti-Christ on the 11th of October, 2022, in Damascus.

Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall
The Anti-Christ is the Muslim Mahdi who will come from Syria and will be Shia. He will be like a Muslim Hitler and will hate Christians and Jews. He is alive and well now and will appear in 2022 (11th October) in Damascus and he will rule the world till 2029 when Jesus returns.

:doh:

You are predicting the day of the appearance of "the Anti-Christ" too? :crackup:

So according to WatchmanOnTheWall:
1) The tribulation begins in 2022 and lasts until 2029.
2) The Anti-Christ will appear on the 11th of October, 2022, in Damascus.
3) Jesus will return on the 24th of September, 2029.

:chuckle:

This is great, and it was not me who posted a call-out thread, but you posted your own call-out thread calling me out, (this thread, lol, which, by the way, I have no problem with because it suits its purpose as shown herein).

 

[daqq]

And what day was it that you said Jesus would return in 2029?
Wasn't it the 24th of September 2029, O prophet?

Well to be more accurate Jesus returns on the clouds on the Day of Atonement and sets foot on the Mount of Olives at Tabernacles. According to Torah Calendar that will be the 19th and 24th of September 2029 respectively:

http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?PYM=Y2029M7

Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall
The Anti-Christ is the Muslim Mahdi who will come from Syria and will be Shia. He will be like a Muslim Hitler and will hate Christians and Jews. He is alive and well now and will appear in 2022 (11th October) in Damascus and he will rule the world till 2029 when Jesus returns.

Thus far, according to WatchmanOnTheWall:
1) The tribulation will begin in 2022 and last until 2029.
2) The Anti-Christ will appear on 11 October 2022 in Damascus.
3) Jesus will return on the clouds on the Day of Atonement, 19 September 2029.
4) Jesus will set foot on the Mount of Olives at Tabernacles, 24 September 2029.

:chuckle:

 

[genuineoriginal]

I know this paradoxical question; Can God do evil, is hard to understand because God made everything and evil exists, but evil is subject to God and not the other way round. Therefore any act by God that could be seen as evil is only because we are not understanding His sovereignty. This article with verses may help:

'No, God cannot do everything. God is holy, and He cannot sin. The Bible tells us He cannot lie (Hebrews 6:18; Titus 1:2). Also, since God is eternal by nature (Psalm 90:2), He cannot stop being God. He cannot deny Himself (2 Tim. 2:13). God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone with evil (James 1:13).

Some critics of Christianity will say that if God is so powerful and He can do anything then He should be able to make a rock so big He can't pick it up. If He could do that, then there would be something He could not do. But such absurd and illogical challenges are meaningless. The truth is that God must be consistent with His own nature, and He cannot violate His own nature. Therefore, God cannot lie, cannot stop being God, cannot deny Himself, and cannot be tempted by evil. Why? Because He is God.'

https://carm.org/questions/about-god/can-god-do-everything-including-sin

"Can God do evil?" is the wrong question.
If you ask that, you will always come up with the wrong answer.

The question to ask is "Does God do evil?"
By His own words, God does do evil.

You seem to be thinking that if God does evil, then God is sinning.
Can God sin?
Yes, God has the ability to sin.
Does God sin?
No, God does not sin.
When God does evil, isn't that sinning?
No, God can do evil without sinning.

You need to figure out what God means by Him doing evil before you start arguing that God can't do what He says He does do.

 

[patrick jane]

"Can God do evil?" is the wrong question.
If you ask that, you will always come up with the wrong answer.

The question to ask is "Does God do evil?"
By His own words, God does do evil.

You seem to be thinking that if God does evil, then God is sinning.
Can God sin?
Yes, God has the ability to sin.
Does God sin?
No, God does not sin.
When God does evil, isn't that sinning?
No, God can do evil without sinning.

You need to figure out what God means by Him doing evil before you start arguing that God can't do what He says He does do.

I say God cannot sin or lie and go against Himself. No contradictions.

Titus 1:2 KJV - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Numbers 23:19 KJV - God is not a man, that He should lie,Nor a son of man, that He should repent.
Has He said, and will He not do?
Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

1 John 3:4 KJV - Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

2 Timothy 2:13 KJV - If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself

Mark 3:25-26n KJV - And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

There are more scriptures than these.


Twelve Things God Cannot Do — The Church of God International

 

[daqq]

I can't take all the credit: 1, 3 & 4 were discovered by others. I merely agreed with them but 2 is mine as far as I know.

Who are all these people you keep saying agree with you, (or that you agree with)? Has anyone else ever even heard of them or are they just some internet prophets like you with a web-page or two and/or a few videos?

 

[daqq]

At last you are starting to ask questions rather than making assumptions. I am aware of at least four others who think the 24th September 2029 is the date of Jesus’ return but I think there must be many more as most people don't advertise the fact they are a date setter:

Michael Haller, Oregano, USA: http://www.motsog.com

Stephen T.McCarthy, Los Angeles, USA:
http://xtremelyun-pcandunrepentant....1/why-i-believe-jesus-christ-will-return.html

Bruce McKerras, New Zealand: http://www.logostelos.info/logos_telos

http://www.logostelos.info/logos_sophia

Robert Nicholas, UK: https://guidetothebible.wordpress.com/but-no-one-knows-the-day/

And the following twelve others have also worked out that 2029 is the year for varying reasons, some also point to September but again I think this is just a small proportion of all those who have worked this out. Mark Blitz is one of them:

http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/eye-popping-prediction-on-start-of-great-tribulation/

http://biblocality.com/forums/list.php?category/131-2022-to-2029

http://www.two.cc/2029.shtml

http://www.everlastingkingdom.info/article/163/

http://www.creation-answers.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.888c.com/ResurrectionDating.htm

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090603154841AASrlXv

http://www.messianictorah.org/en/manna_en/32-7en.htm

http://www.talkjesus.com/threads/what-is-the-key-sign-for-the-return-of-jesus.50997/

https://design-of-time.com/chronoj.htm

http://www.christiantimelines.com/William Miller.htm

https://www.ihs-wa.net/Downloads/Jesus_Return_AD_2027-2029.pdf

Lol, and Mark Biltz, (<- proper spelling, not "Blitz"), is actually the one who first discovered the four blood moons after looking into the NASA eclipse catalogues; and that was well before John Hageemeister took over and lent his name and prestige to power-boost the profit machine on that failed prophecy. Do you suppose I have never studied any of these things, prophet? I was king of such false prophecies based on erroneous calendar mathematics and came up with the pole-shift idea and eclipses even before Mark Biltz, (who used to be a Messianic Pastor in WA State last I looked, which was years ago now). He discovered that the lunar eclipse cycles sometimes fall out on feast days, (and of course they do, sometimes, because it is a lunisolar calendar, duh, that actually must happen: sometimes in four's but mostly in two's). There is good reason why I do not feel compelled to ask you about how and why you come up with your predictions: it is because I have already made most all of the same mistakes myself, and learned the hard way about most of the reasons why you are wrong, and just like you I had no one to teach me the better Way because at that time I was not truly following or even understanding the Testimony of Messiah in the Gospel accounts. :chuckle:

 

[daqq]

Well of course you have made mistakes if you think you can use your understanding of the Bible to make predictions, because (as I have pointed out to you and proved many times) your understanding of the Bible is very mixed up. Your eschatological theology is madness.

Yep, and you still misunderstand the eschatological prophesy's of the Bible because you do not have the intelligence/gifting.

"the intelligence/gifting" . . .

Yep, I remember those days well, pseudo-prophet. :chuckle:
But may you be delivered from your bondage as I was, sincerely, in Messiah.

 

[daqq]

I suppose we will have to wait till 2022 and review then.

We? I do not need to wait to see what will happen, I already know. And if you make it that far, and are blessed enough to finally be crushed and stripped of all your pride: there will be a great mourning in Yerushalem, as the mourning for the pomegranate grove that was cut down in the plain of Megiddon, and all of your land shall mourn, even like the house of Nathan set apart, and their wives apart. And it shall come to pass in that day that the Most High will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. And it shall come to pass that when one shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother shall thrust him through and stone him with stones when he prophesies. And it shall come to pass in that day that the prophet shall be ashamed of his vision which he formerly prophesied, and shall no more wear a shaggy goat-hair mantle to deceive, but shall say, "No more a prophet am I, but a tiller of the soil am I, for the Son of man purchased me from my youth!" And if one should say to him, "What are those strokes and wounds between your hands and in your heart? then he shall answer, "Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends."

 

[genuineoriginal]

evil
adjective
1. profoundly immoral and wicked.
noun
1. profound immorality and wickedness, especially when regarded as a supernatural force.

You are using the wrong word, try using the Hebrew word the way God did in the original scripture.

Jeremiah 42:10 10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.

h7451 רַע ra`

1. bad, evil
   • bad, disagreeable, malignant
   • bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
   • evil, displeasing
   • bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)
   • bad (of value)
   • worse than, worst (comparison)
   • sad, unhappy
   • evil (hurtful)
   • bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
   • bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
     • in general, of persons, of thoughts
     • deeds, actions
2. evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
   • evil, distress, adversity
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)
3. evil, misery, distress, injury
   • evil, misery, distress
   • evil, injury, wrong
   • evil (ethical)

 

[genuineoriginal]

I say God cannot sin or lie and go against Himself. No contradictions.

I agree with that.

Twelve Things God Cannot Do — The Church of God International

Those are nice sentiments, but few of them are accurate.
1. GOD CANNOT LIE.
True
2. GOD CANNOT CHANGE.
False. God DOES NOT change, which is different than God CANNOT change.
3. GOD CANNOT BREAK A PROMISE.
False. God WILL NOT break a COVENANT, which is different than God CANNOT break a PROMISE.
4. GOD’S INTENT AND POWER CANNOT BE STOPPED.
True.
5. GOD’S WORD CANNOT BE BROKEN.
False.
6. GOD’S LAW CANNOT BE ANNULLED.
True.
7. GOD CANNOT STAND SIN.
True.
8. GOD CANNOT DESPISE A BROKEN AND CONTRITE HEART.
False. God WILL NOT despise a broken and contrite heart, which is different than CANNOT.
9. GOD CANNOT BE PLEASED WITHOUT FAITH.
True.
10. GOD’S CHURCH CANNOT BE DESTROYED.
False. God's ekklesia WILL NOT BE DEFEATED by the gates of hell, which is different than CANNOT BE DESTROYED.
11. GOD CANNOT BE WORSHIPPED TOO MUCH FOR WHO AND WHAT HE IS.
This has nothing to do with what God can or cannot do.
12. AND FINALLY, GOD CANNOT STOP LOVING YOU.
False.

 

[daqq]

So now you are prophesying. Do you have any proof that nothing will happen? Any scriptures? It's only 4.5 years, I'm confident I will be around. Oh dear, this is why I say you seem mad. You're so OTT. :noway: If nothing happens then I will just think/say 'I was wrong' and life will go on and no one will hardly notice. If we are still in touch at that time? Then you might say 'I told you so' and I will say 'yeah I was wrong' and that would be about it.

You still do not understand? You have to die to overcome: if you do not die, you did not overcome but will have been overcome. If you end up wrong and merely saying, oopsy daisy, while going along your merry way, without any remorse for what you have done and for those you have injured: then no doubt you will be twice dead, if you are not twice dead already. You should take the Word more seriously, lest you end up the reprobate-castaway rotting carcass of a stinking fish. Unless of course you already are a reprobate-castaway: for the kingdom of the heavens is like a net that was cast into the sea that gathered up some of every kind. And when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into clean vessels, but the worthless and evil they cast away. So shall it be at the end of your age: the Malakim shall come forth, and shall sever the wicked from the midst the tzaddikim, and shall cast the wicked into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[genuineoriginal]

In man's eyes God is doing evil [distress, misery, injury, calamity] (just as God says) but in real terms God is not doing anything evil [profoundly immoral and wicked].

When you switch meanings of a word during a discussion, it is known as the logical fallacy of Equivocation.
Equivocation has caused a lot of misinterpretations of prophecy and doctrine.

 

[genuineoriginal]

God can do what we call evil while at the same time not be doing evil.

God says that He did what He calls evil.
So, did He do it or not?