The tribulation starts in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029

daqq

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This thread is just for you daqq. :)

You need to put the topic information in your OP or else I suppose, if this thread is just for me, then I can talk about whatever I want. Perhaps you should at least add the thread title into the OP? and perhaps give some reasons why you believe your prophecy will come true? :chuckle:
 

daqq

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This thread is just for you daqq. :)

The reason I and others believe the tribulation will start in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029 is because 2029 will be the start of the 6000th year of the Earth's history and Jesus returns to rule for his 1000 year Millennial reign as explained in this thread:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127731-God-s-7000-year-plan&highlight=

And voiced in these earlier threads:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...h-connected-to-Jesus-second-coming&highlight=

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?125145-Jesus-Return&highlight=

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127115-Did-Jesus-die-on-the-4000th-year&highlight=

The Tribulation starting in 2022 is based on it lasting 7 years as according to the prophet Daniel.

And what day was it that you said Jesus would return in 2029?
Wasn't it the 24th of September 2029, O prophet? :chuckle:
 

daqq

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Well to be more accurate Jesus returns on the clouds on the Day of Atonement and sets foot on the Mount of Olives at Tabernacles. According to Torah Calendar that will be the 19th and 24th of September 2029 respectively:

http://www.torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?PYM=Y2029M7

Your entire mindset has already been proven to be false.
Here, (again), is why:

Paul boldly and plainly states that the first man Adam is the one formed in Gen2:7, and there is no way to get around this if anyone will truly believe what the scripture says and teaches. The only thing people can do is ignore it and pretend it does not say what it says: and that is to essentially deny the Word in favor of one's own private interpretations of the first two chapters of Genesis. The two creation accounts are not given in chronological order according to Paul, for he plainly says that the first man Adam is the one who was earthy, choikos, dust-like, earth-like, and became a living soul: and that is no doubt the one from Gen2:7 because he quotes what is written there in the Greek Septuagint. Moreover the Psalmist, king David himself, agrees in Psa8:3-8 and calls the Second Man from the heavens the Son of Man, for he speaks in the same terminology which we read in Gen1:26-28, that is, the dominion: for all things are placed under the feet of the Son of Man who is "the Second Man" from the heavens according to the Psalm and according to Paul:

The first man Adam according to Paul:

Genesis 2:7 KJV
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
(1Cor15:45)

The Son of Adam, (Son of Man), and Second Man from the heavens according to Psa 8 and Paul:

Genesis 1:26-28 KJV
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Psalm 8:3-8 KJV
3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
(Heb2:6)
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
(Heb2:7)
6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
(Gen1:26-28, Heb2:8-9, 1Cor15:25-28)
7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
(Gen1:28)
8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.
(Gen1:28)

1 Corinthians 15:22-47 ASV
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; then they that are Christ's, at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
(Gen1:26-28, Psa 8:6, Heb2:8-9)
26 The last enemy that shall be abolished is death.
27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection,
(Gen1:26-28, Psa 8:6, Heb2:8-9) it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him.
28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.
29 Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
30 why do we also stand in jeopardy every hour?
31 I protest by that glorying in you, brethren, which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32 If after the manner of men I fought with beasts at Ephesus, what doth it profit me? If the dead are not raised, let us eat and drink, for to-morrow we die.
33 Be not deceived: Evil companionships corrupt good morals.
34 Awake to soberness righteously, and sin not; for some have no knowledge of God: I speak this to move you to shame.
35 But some one will say, How are the dead raised? and with what manner of body do they come?
36 Thou foolish one, that which thou thyself sowest is not quickened except it die:
37 and that which thou sowest, thou sowest not the body that shall be, but a bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other kind;
38 but God giveth it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fishes.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 it is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 it is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul.
(Gen2:7) The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
46 Howbeit that is not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; then that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy:
(Gen2:7) the second man is of heaven.(Gen1:26-28, Psa 8:3-8)

And in light of the above passages, and teaching from the scripture, the following two statements of the Master may become astoundingly clear to the one willing to hear:

Matthew 11:13
13 For all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohanan.


And regarding the Shabbat he says:

John 5:16-17
16 And for this cause the Yhudim pursued-persecuted Yeshua, because he did these things in Shabbat:
17 But he responded to them, My Father even until right now is working: and I work.


For all the Prophets and the Torah prophesied until Yohanan.
 

daqq

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Too long. There's a rule about long posts.

Okay, I split it. Continued from above:

Therefore the Septuagint chronology is the only one that can be correct and the Son of Man descended from the heavens in the Sixth Great Day, (for Gen1:26-28 was prophecy), and that Sixth Great Day ends, according to my understanding of the Septuagint chronology, roundabout circa 68CE. And as I told you before this also has to do with the Ten Weeks of Enoch, which are 490 years apiece, and Meshiah was crucified in the middle of last day, (the midst of the last seventy years), of the final week of Enoch. All of the bases are covered in this and there is yet a mountain of more evidence against what you believe: moreover, you have no justification for what you believe because of what was also already shown to you from Dt 18:13-22.

Spoiler
Well done for finding it, Did you use a search tool?

BTW I don't why you think it is so important? I was merely pointing out that in that conversation I was only stating the year, while you were talking about the day and hour. You seemed to think I was trying to trick you or something, when I was merely pointing out your error. Perhaps you can not see this? In other words just because I also believe I know the day does not take away the fact I also believe I know the year, (although I am not the only one). Or another way to put it, to help you understand; Jesus never said anything about not knowing the year.

But to answer your point (which I may have done before), when Jesus said ‘no one knows the day’ He said it in the present tense, He did not say no one would ever know. Jesus said the OT could not be discredited and in the OT we find:

Amos 3:7
Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.

And in the Torah we also read:

Deuteronomy 18:13-22 KJV
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

YOUR version of Messiah is therefore a false prophet because you say that some of what he foretold has still yet not come to pass even after nearly two thousand years. YOUR version of the Apocalypse is also a lie because you say that some of the things written therein have still not yet come to pass even after nearly two thousand years and even though the author boldly tells you that those things are to shortly and quickly come to pass. So because you can neither see nor walk according to the SPIRIT, (for the Spirit of the prophecy is plainly stated to be the Testimony of Messiah, Rev19:10), you therefore cannot see that those things in the Apocalypse concern things that have been going on since the book was written: each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father, (Gal4:1-2), for those things concern the walk, that is, halacha, and not your fanciful futurist one-time-only global holocaust and false interpretations according to the eyes and mind of your flesh-man Esau nature who walks according to his belly like the serpent. Both you and the OP serve a false messiah, and the OP openly displays his error by the fact that he thinks he is Michael the Archangel, while you reveal it in your idiotic prognostications which you imagine have never before been fulfilled because you see the Apocalypse as a world wide one-time-only global holocaust event where Elohim will annihilate ninety percent of His own creation.

After all, those are your own words, dear false prophet:

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Originally Posted by WatchmanOnTheWall
1. The Satanic alien deception begins in 2022 and lasts for the 7 year tribulation period when Jesus returns on 24th September 2029. The image will be set up in country after country and Israel will be the last country to accept the image when it too will run out of food. Satan will have the technology and power to provide free food and energy.

2. Satan will return to Earth in 2022 posing as the supreme alien of the universe and guess what he will look just like Jesus. He will say to the world the Christian history of him is wrong while the Muslim history is true and that he is called Isa, the Muslim name for Jesus. This will very quickly cause the great falling away of the Christian Church that Paul spoke of in 2 Thessalonians. Then Satan will go to Damascus to select the Muslim Mahdi in accordance with Quranic prophecy, however this will really be the Anti-Christ of Biblical prophecy. Seven years of hell on Earth ensues and 90%+ of the population dies.

According to you Elohim hates His own creation:
Your god is therefore Thanatos, (Death).

Here it is again outside the quote box:

Deuteronomy 18:13-22 KJV
13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.
14 For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the LORD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21
And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

YOUR version of Messiah is therefore a false prophet because you say that some of what he foretold has still yet not come to pass even after nearly two thousand years. YOUR version of the Apocalypse is also a lie because you say that some of the things written therein have still not yet come to pass even after nearly two thousand years and even though the author boldly tells you that those things are to shortly and quickly come to pass. So because you can neither see nor walk according to the SPIRIT, (for the Spirit of the prophecy is plainly stated to be the Testimony of Messiah, Rev19:10), you therefore cannot see that those things in the Apocalypse concern things that have been going on since the book was written: each in his or her own appointed times, times appointed of the Father, (Gal4:1-2), for those things concern the walk, that is, halacha, and not your fanciful futurist one-time-only global holocaust and false interpretations according to the eyes and mind of your flesh-man Esau nature who walks according to his belly like the serpent. Both you and the OP serve a false messiah, and the OP openly displays his error by the fact that he thinks he is Michael the Archangel, while you reveal it in your idiotic prognostications which you imagine have never before been fulfilled because you see the Apocalypse as a world wide one-time-only global holocaust event where Elohim will annihilate ninety percent of His own creation.

According to you Elohim hates His own creation:
Your god is therefore Thanatos, (Death).

Here is the real problem, false prophet, your mind has not yet been opened:

Luke 24:44-48 ASV
44 And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their mind, that they might understand the scriptures;
46 and he said unto them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day;
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
48 ​Ye are witnesses of these things.


Because you refuse to believe the Testimony of the Messiah.
 

daqq

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Too long. There's a rule about long posts.

Wazzzup prophet? You can't hang? You said this thread was all for me. We are just getting started here: how many pages can you go before you report me again for something outrageous or even totally fabricated? :chuckle:

:wazzup: :wazzup: :wazzup:
 

genuineoriginal

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The tribulation starts in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029
The tribulation is not 7 years long and will not start in the future.
The tribulation Jesus spoke of is all about the things that would happen to the land of Israel and the children of Israel from the time that Jerusalem was surrounded by the Roman armies in 66 CE to the time that the Temple would be rebuilt on Temple mount in the near future.
After the end of the tribulation, the beast empire will wage war against the saints and the two witnesses will prophesy in Jerusalem.
 

genuineoriginal

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Yes I think you've told me this before and we obviously disagree but remind me what temple was rebuilt on the temple mount? Did you mean the Roman temple to Jupiter built by Hadrian or the Dome of the Rock?
The temple that will be rebuilt on Temple Mount at the end of the tribulation will be a new one.
The preparations for the next temple are already well under way by the Temple Institute.
The rebuilt temple will signal the end of the current tribulation.
 

Interplanner

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This thread is just for you daqq. :)

The reason I and others believe the tribulation will start in 2022 and Jesus returns in 2029 is because 2029 will be the start of the 6000th year of the Earth's history and Jesus returns to rule for his 1000 year Millennial reign as explained in this thread:

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127731-God-s-7000-year-plan&highlight=

And voiced in these earlier threads:

http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...h-connected-to-Jesus-second-coming&highlight=

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?125145-Jesus-Return&highlight=

http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127115-Did-Jesus-die-on-the-4000th-year&highlight=

The Tribulation starting in 2022 is based on it lasting 7 years as according to the prophet Daniel.





There is no gap of X000 years between the 489th week and the 490th. It was the calamity of the destruction of the city and temple in the 1st century.
 

Interplanner

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btw, church history is full of attempts by people to fix the end date and failing. The Bible is not for prognostication. it is for sinners to gain justification from their sins, because God was in Christ settling mankind's debt of sin.
 

daqq

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John 7:2 & 8 – But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, [Jesus said] “You go to the festival. I am not going up to this festival, because my time has not yet fully come.”

Jesus then purposefully misses the feast of Tabernacles which is on day 15 of month 7 and lasts 8 days. However, Jesus does turn up after having deliberately missed this specific day:

John 7:10 & 14 – But after his brothers had gone up to the feast, then Jesus also went up, not publicly but in secret. About halfway through the feast Jesus went up into the temple and began teaching.

How astoundingly un-amazing and dis-interesting: the pseudo-prophet cannot see that the Master himself cuts the WEEK of Sukkot-Tabernacles in HALF. Moreover there are one hundred and eighty days from Shemini Atzeret, the last great day of the feast, (Joh7:37), to the End of the shabuim-yamim of Daniel: and every numberer knows that one hundred and eighty days multiplied by the seven yamim-hours in a day of prayer amount to one thousand two hundred and sixty yamim, (7x180=1260). :chuckle:
 

daqq

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How astoundingly un-amazing and dis-interesting: the pseudo-prophet cannot see that the Master himself cuts the WEEK of Sukkot-Tabernacles in HALF. Moreover there are one hundred and eighty days from Shemini Atzeret, the last great day of the feast, (Joh7:37), to the End of the shabuim-yamim of Daniel: and every numberer knows that one hundred and eighty days multiplied by the seven yamim-hours in a day of prayer amount to one thousand two hundred and sixty yamim, (7x180=1260). :chuckle:

Esther 1:4
4 When he shewed the riches of his glorious kingdom and the honor of his excellent majesty,
yamim rabbim: eighty and one hundred yom.

Ahasuerus-Xerxes, king of kings of the Median-Persian empire, ruling over the one hundred twenty-seven provinces of the world of his day, is the typology of the Son of Elohim: and who was his wife Hadassah-Esther but Sarah in the typology? Sarah, who lived one hundred and twenty seven years. Understand the typology and understand the scripture, O pseudo-prophet! The Son of Elohim and King of kings revealed the riches of his glorious kingdom and the honor of his excellent majesty yamim rabbim: eighty and one hundred yom! :chuckle:
 

daqq

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Aye, aye, aye, my eye! Loosy, sumbody gonna have alotta spailin to do! How long shall I endure this generation of vipers before a black adder arrives to hatch a fiery flying serpent? You can bow to the sun and the moon and the beggarly elements of the kosmos in your calendar: but how is it that you cannot discern the signs of the appointed times? or how can you not discern it when a key of the kingdom has been dropped right into your lap, O pseudo-prophet? :crackup:

1 Kings 18:1
1 And it came to pass with yamim rabbim, that the Word of YHWH came to Eliyahu, in the third year, saying, Go, reveal yourself unto Ahab: and I will send rain upon the land.


He says in the third year so that you may know that the yamim rabbim in this case are not one thousand two hundred and sixty yamim, but yom, that is to say, the full one thousand two hundred and sixty days: which are three years and six months, (Luke 4:25, James 5:17). If you cannot discern these things even after they have been shown to you then you will never understand the shabuim yamim of haNavi Daniel, O pseudo-prophet. Don't quit your day job. :chuckle:
 

daqq

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I don't have a day job. I work day and night; for God.

Well at least I try to... :)

You can not discern God's Calendar but you get a whole bunch of Bible verse completely mixed up with a Mumbo-Jumbo nonsensical theory all of your own. Where as my understanding is understood by many others.

Anyone willing to see it may see that you are clueless concerning the scripture.
It is just as you have admitted: you only know about theories of other like-blinded people.
 

daqq

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He says Yammin in rabbim the third yom yom so that you may yam yam that the yamim rabbim in this shabuim are not one thousand two hundred and sixty yamim, but yom, that is to say, the full yamim shabuim one thousand two hundred and sixty days: which are three yam yams and six months. If you cannot discern these Rabbims even after they have been yom yam to you then you will never shubuim the shabuim yamim of haNavi, O daqq the daqq daqq. Quit your day yam ASAP. :chuckle:

It was you that started posting links to transliterated Hebrew interlinears: do you never actually read anything from them? Those words you mock are keys. You mock the things that would have opened your eyes: and now, because of your own evil ways, the heavens are closed. :shut: :crackup: :chuckle:

:luigi:
 

daqq

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Your keys were given to you by a clown. :flamer:

For all of those things which you mocked, which I have said since this morning, today in this thread, I quoted the SCRIPTURE. No wonder you have nothing, can see nothing, and are dead. No wonder you think it is perfectly fine to do exactly what your pseudo-prophet father Harold Camping taught you to do, despite the Testimony of the Messiah, whose words you deny. You are not mocking me but the scriptures and the authors of those texts which I have quoted, (including the Apocalypse because that is where the twelve hundred and sixty days are openly written in the surface text, as you well know). Mock all you want: but you only prove the words of the Master to be true when you do so, and show yourself an outsider, dwelling in the outer darkness, outside the gates of the holy city, with the dogs and sorcerers your brethren.
 

daqq

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Lol, you are such a fraud.
Here is you pretending like you actually know what you are talking about:


http://biblehub.com/interlinear/hosea/6-2.htm

Jesus rose on day 16 month 1 year 4000, which was on the first day of the week, not the 8th day. (7th April 30AD).

Mocking is pointless. Learning and debating is what is needed. You are only looking foolish in God's Eyes.

Well, pseudo-prophet, here are the links to 1Kings18:1 for your favorite interlinears:

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_kings/18-1.htm
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/OTpdf/1kg18.pdf

Are you even capable of reading the top line in the first link? And I mean the ENGLISH portion, (lol), does it not say rabbim yamim? Do you even understand what a transliteration is? You are literally mocking the Word of Elohim. Moreover those are indeed keys because if you actually had an interlinear on your own computer, which you can download for free from several different Bible software sites online, you would be able to search those key words or any variations of those words. As a matter of fact you could even search the Hebrew or Greek texts in the original languages but what use would it be for me to post Hebrew here when so very few can actually read it? There is very good reason for why I posted what I did.

You are a complete fraud.
 

Interplanner

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Since the destruction of Jerusalem came and went in 70-2 AD, none of this matters. The NT is replete with the expectation of everything ending 'right after' that event, but also has the allowance that God might NOT end the world at that point.

The only specific thing we will encounter is the 'short time of rebellion' mentioned at the end of the long reign of Christ we are now in, which will harass all believers, and will be destroyed by the presence of Christ.

Everything else was about the events of that generation, as the 1st page of the Rev says, and the time stamp of Lk 23:28 establishes. Unless you think we become adults in X000 years rather than 20-30 it mentions.
 

daqq

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Since the destruction of Jerusalem came and went in 70-2 AD, none of this matters. The NT is replete with the expectation of everything ending 'right after' that event, but also has the allowance that God might NOT end the world at that point.

The only specific thing we will encounter is the 'short time of rebellion' mentioned at the end of the long reign of Christ we are now in, which will harass all believers, and will be destroyed by the presence of Christ.

Everything else was about the events of that generation, as the 1st page of the Rev says, and the time stamp of Lk 23:28 establishes. Unless you think we become adults in X000 years rather than 20-30 it mentions.

Nope, all disciples of the Master are commanded to WATCH for all the signs given in the Olivet Discourse, (Mrk13:37), and that means the signs given obviously are not what you, being a Preterist, think they are or were supposed to be. The words of the Messiah are never going to pass away, (Mrk13:31).
 
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