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ok doser

ok doser

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way 2 go

way 2 go

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ok doser said:
Are those people who are fully vaccinated who become infected with the virus also "accessories to murder"?
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from unknown source

"The Drug company is not responsible for any death or injury
The Government is not responsible
The NHS is not responsible
My GP is not responsible
The Nurse who injects me is not responsible

But I’m irresponsible for refusing it"
 
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marke

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expos4ever said:
Not this again.

It is difficult to believe that people here are really so dumb as to believe that this kind of chart, that you toss about with abandon, demonstrates anything.

Here is a question you will not be able to answer: how, precisely, does this chart demonstrate that the vaccines are not working in preventing infection?

I will point out something that anyone above the age of 13 will know - rising infection rates among the vaccinated could be caused by a dramatic increase in the amount of virus circulating among the unvaccinated. Even if the vaccine is, say, 80% effective in preventing infections, if the vaccinated person is exposed to many more infected people, the numbers of infections among the vaccinated will go up even though the vaccine is still 80% effective.

Now then, please offer your argument: how does this chart show that the vaccines are not preventing infections?

And, no, your stock "confession through projection" non sequitir does not count.
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How stupid is mandating a vaccine that does not prevent people from getting covid and does kill some people, regardless of whether the number of those killed is deemed by some to be insignificant or not?
 
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marke

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expos4ever said:
How? How is it not equivalent? Please address this question head-on.

It certainly seems equivalent to me. Please to try to find a flaw in the following reasoning:

The Pathogen:
- covid is highly contagious
- covid can harm the vaccinated

The Vaccine:
- the vaccine is free
- the vaccine is readily available
- the vaccine is safe by any reasonable standard.

The Employer:
- has the responsibility to provide a safe workplace
- therefore is not obligated to retain employees with contagious illnesses.
- has the right to expect employees to take reasonable measures to ensure they are not a threat to others.

The Unvaccinated:
- has no fundamental "right" to a job
- willingly foregoes a vaccine that will reduce his degree of threat to fellow employees

CONCLUSION: Employees who refuse vaccination should be fired (with the exception, of course, that they have a known serious allergy to vaccines).

Now then: where, precisely, is the error in this argument?
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The covid vaccine can kill, but, hopefully, if you take it you will be one of the lucky ones who will not be killed or permanently injured.
 
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expos4ever

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marke said:
How stupid is mandating a vaccine that does not prevent people from getting covid and does kill some people, regardless of whether the number of those killed is deemed by some to be insignificant or not?
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What utter nonsense.

I won't bother to see if your statement about prevention is correct or not because it is entirely beside the point.

The value of the vaccine lies primarily in its ability to prevent serious illness and death.

Unless you have a defect of reasoning, or are completely ignorant of the merits of the vaccine, you have to know this.

So, I suggest, your implication that prevention of transmission is the key issue is another of your, yes, lies.

As for the vaccine "killing some people", you are, of course, conveniently silent on the matter of how many people it kills. And of course we know why - it is a very small number. And, naturally enough, you are entirely silent on the matter of the death risk (from covid) associated with not taking the vaccine.

In short, whether by omission or by commission, you are, by any reasonable standard, a compulsive liar.
 
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expos4ever

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ok doser said:
Are those people who are fully vaccinated who become infected with the virus also "accessories to murder"?
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Of course not. And I know you are smart enough to know this.

When you willingly forego a safe vaccine against an insanely contagious disease that can either directly kill or needlessly divert medical resources from other people who need it, it is hard to argue that you are not actively participating in the killing of people.

If you do not think I have the cred to make such a statement, how about this statement from Dr. Natish Paryani, oncologist:

The unvaccinated are killing people in ways they probably never imagined

The vaccinated, on the other hand, have taken all reasonable precautions to prevent transmission. So, while a vaccinated person can get covid and transmit it to some unvaccinated moron who then dies, the vaccinated person has not acted irresponsibly - they did all they could reasonably do to prevent this from happening by getting vaccinated.

So, in any reasonable sense, the vaccinated person is not an accessory to murder.
 
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expos4ever

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ok doser said:
e4e doesn't seem to be the sharpest crayon in the box, does he? 😆
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At least I am not retarded like way 2 go who moronically posts graphs without the slightest inkling of what conclusions can be legitimately drawn from them.
 
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expos4ever

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way 2 go said:
did you not look at the chart 👀

the vax is not preventing infection
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You are a retard or a liar, take your pick.

You are probably a liar like marke since no adult can possibly be so mentally impaired as to not understand that the graph you posted does not establish that the vaccine is not preventing infection.

Correlation does not establish causation, Einstein.
 
way 2 go

way 2 go

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expos4ever said:
- rising infection rates among the vaccinated
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you just admitted the vaxed are getting infected 👆

Orwell’s double speak

and here 👇 you denying the vaxed are getting infected
expos4ever said:
You are a retard or a liar, take your pick.

You are probably a liar like marke since no adult can possibly be so mentally impaired as to not understand that the graph you posted does not establish that the vaccine is not preventing infection.

Correlation does not establish causation, Einstein.
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ran out of substance and switched to ad hominem


vax getting sick.jpg
 
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ok doser

ok doser

lifeguard at the cement pond
expos4ever said:
The vaccinated, on the other hand, have taken all reasonable precautions to prevent transmission.
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Well no.

Knowing that they are still at risk of becoming infectious and spreading the disease to others, they could wear masks or multiple masks to reduce that risk.

This is, of course, the latest recommendation from the CDC and Joe the Rapist.


Are these people "accessories to murder"?

 
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