Read and study the Bible if you want the truth.
The Terrible God of Calvinism
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Read and study the Bible if you want the truth.
NickCharles
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The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.
"Today if you hear his voice, harden not your heart" Hebrews 3:15.
NickCharles
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But at one point you were not willing, even though you were able. So your earlier point about Calvinism was incorrect.
NickCharles
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Before I became a Christian I was hounded by the Holy Spirit, but I just simply dismissed it. I had a Christian wife that was a strong witness for Christ and his Gospel.
Nothing is correct about Calvinism, NOTHING!
NickCharles
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Right. You were not willing. It had nothing to do with ability. That is what Calvinism teaches. So your claim that Calvinism teaches that you can't come unless chosen is incorrect.
Calvinism was conceived by John Calvin, not the Bible.
There are many, many, scriptures that are not according to Calvinism.
If you are going to follow Calvinism you will have to deceive yourself and believe lies.
NickCharles
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God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ.
Salvation has been provided for all, but it is not yours if you don't receive it, John 1:12.
NickCharles
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Not relevant to what I said. We were discussing one of your claims against Calvinism, which I demonstrated was untrue.
musterion
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If free will doesn't exist, how could he be?
You are doing just what I said Calvinist do.
They deceive themselves and believe lies.
NickCharles
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Free choice exists. But we cannot chose against our nature. The scriptures clearly teach that man cannot please God in the flesh. But folks like Mr. Pate do not believe that. They think they can do at least one thing in the flesh that pleases God, and that is to believe. So he thinks the natural man can act contrary to his nature, which cannot be proven through scripture.
NickCharles
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While that may be true, I still showed that your earlier statement about Calvinism is not true.
musterion
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Then it doesn't really exist.
NickCharles
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musterion
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No. It doesn't exist at all, in any reasonable sense of the word "free," if it is predetermined by our nature and cannot violate or contradict that nature. If, on the other hand, God "gives" you "free will," it is (according to Calvinism) only to do that which He has predetermined one will do, and His will cannot be thwarted by ours. In that case, your "free will" still isn't free.
You're not advocating will, you're advocating fatalism at best and puppetry at worst. Divinely orchestrated or mechanistically preprogrammed, what you call "will" isn't because it is not free. Maybe you're happy with that state of affairs, I don't know. But it makes the offer of the Gospel a lie, the stated reasons for damnation a lie, and God a liar.