The real cost to rid the world of Mystery Baboonalon

[dialm]

Well, "Jousting at windmills" comes to mind....

Don't know much about them wind mills. But have ran into a few huff puffs. Them hot breath types don't fair so well up thar n dat hi country of my beloved Scottland. For it was up thar that the Roman wind ran its course and they were blown all the way back to 7 Steeples. Even that genius Adrian and his wall could not hold back Mr. Christian because of the mighty sword that did puncture the Roman

Windbag
Beebee
Dialm

 

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You have heard the song.
Played on the bagpipes.

Scotland the Brave

 

[Wick Stick]

From where have you arrived to the conclusion that these 153000 are Canaanites?

The men were from Hiram of Tyre. Tyre is a chief city of the Canaanites.

Moreover, the palm tree and the cherub are the symbols specifically of the king of Tyre (see Ezekiel). These same two symbols were included in the pattern of the temple, imprinted in gold leaf on the walls.

The story of Solomon and Hiram is not one in which paganism creeps up around the roots of the tree. It is a story of institutional corruption coming from the top down. Someone is planting tares (again), and this time, they've reached the throne room.

But as for the work we have a primary commandment from the Torah:

Exodus 25:1-9
1. And YHWH spoke unto Moshe, saying:
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring Me an offering: of every man that gives it willingly with his heart you shall take My offering.
3. And this is the offering which you shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass:
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and shesh-fine linen, and goat-hair:
5. And skins of rams tanned-dyed red, and skins of tachashim, and shittiim-acacia wood:
6. Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense:
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make Me a miqdash, that I may dwell among them:
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the Mishkan, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall you make it.

"Let them make Me a miqdash-sanctuary-temple, that I may dwell among them, according to all that I show you, according to the pattern of the Mishkan-Tabernacle."

There's a reason miqdash is translated sanctuary and not temple. The "sanctuary" of Exodus 25 is part and parcel of the tabernacle. It is simple to see in the list of ingredients provided - animal hides and acacia wood are called for. These are the primary ingredients for a tabernacle. A temple is supported by stones.

And was Solomon not wise hearted when he built the temple? He says, YHWH has said that He will dwell in the araphel-thick darkness: and I have built an house of habitation for Thee and a place for Thy dwelling into olamim-forever." And then the king turned himself roundabout to face the people, and blessed the whole congregation of Yisrael, and all the congregation of Yisrael stood. And he said, "Blessed be YHWH Elohim of Yisrael", because even Solomon knew and understood that the people are the temple. Solomon never turns himself back around to face the newly constructed temple building made with the hands of men. Those who came to do the work became themselves the temple. Therefore "If you build it they will come", (the Father and the Son, John 14:23). And this is why Ezekiel states that the Father will be a little miqdash-chapel-temple for His people in all the places wheresoever they come; for the true people of Israel keep His commandments, which are Spirit, including Exodus 25:1-9 quoted above.

Was King Schlomo aware that the people were the temple? It seems so. It would explain why the temple was constructed according to the pattern of a body.

But this does not speak well of him. Solomon oppressed the people and laid heavy taxes on them for the purpose of building a physical temple and a palace. We are essentially saying that he had full knowledge that he was prioritizing a physical temple over the spiritual temple.

Solomon was wise, yes - a bit too wise most of the time.

Jarrod

 

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Was King Schlomo aware that the people were the temple? It seems so. It would explain why the temple was constructed according to the pattern of a body.

But this does not speak well of him. Solomon oppressed the people and laid heavy taxes on them for the purpose of building a physical temple and a palace. We are essentially saying that he had full knowledge that he was prioritizing a physical temple over the spiritual temple.

Solomon was wise, yes - a bit too wise most of the time.

Jarrod

In your understanding then the Scripture is broken:

The Congregation People-Temple:

2 Chronicles 7:12-16 KJV
12. And the Lord appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice.
13. If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
14. If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
15. Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.
16. For now have I chosen and sanctified this house, that my name may be there for ever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.

The prayer that was heard was the prayer of dedication from the previous chapter, which is quoted below once more; and forever is pretty much forever, (olam) and perpetually is "all the days", (kal ha-yamiym).

The Temple building made with the hands of men:

2 Chronicles 7:17-22 KJV
17. And as for thee, if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, and do according to all that I have commanded thee, and shalt observe my statutes and my judgments;
18. Then will I stablish the throne of thy kingdom, according as I have covenanted with David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man to be ruler in Israel.
19. But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them;
20. Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations.
21. And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the Lord done thus unto this land, and unto this house?
22. And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

The heart of Solomon in this matter, (at least in the beginning) was this:

2 Chronicles 6:1-3 KJV
1. Then said Solomon, The Lord hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.
2. But I have built an house of habitation for thee, and a place for thy dwelling for ever.
3. And the king turned his face, and blessed the whole congregation of Israel: and all the congregation of Israel stood.

And, as previously stated, the king never turns back to face the Temple made with hands.

 

[Wick Stick]

In your understanding then the Scripture is broken:

I don't see how?

We seem to be in agreement about God indwelling the people, not the edifice Solomon built. You have written/quoted a good bit about it, but that's not even a point of contention. I assume this was mostly instructional for those reading along.

Is it in regards to whether Solomon was a good or righteous king? He wasn't, and this is explicit in 1 Kings 11:

And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as David his father. ... Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: [but] I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

Is it in regards to Solomon's intentions in building the temple?

1Kings records his words, but the words of a clever politician are not to be trusted. I had rather take my stand with the martyr Stephen, who, "being full of the Holy Ghost" seems to express the contrary:

David... found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob. But Solomon built him an house. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet. Acts 7:45-48

Jarrod