(1 Cor 10:11) These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
For some reason, all the Darby followers ignore this.
8/11 posts have "Darby." You worthless mutt.
(1 Cor 10:11) These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
For some reason, all the Darby followers ignore this.
I've spent hundreds of hours researching Darby's rapture.
No matter how hard Darby followers try, and no matter how hard Darby followers want it to be, there is not one trace of a rapture found in human history before Darby invented it in the mid 1800's.
Joseph Smith follower.
I've spent hundreds of hours researching Darby's rapture.
No matter how hard Darby followers try, and no matter how hard Darby followers want it to be, there is not one trace of a rapture found in human history before Darby invented it in the mid 1800's.
Since all three Gospel writers said these events were contingent on something else happening first, the real question to ask is not "Did these events happen?" The question is, "What were these events contingent upon?" If we start making that the focus of our discussion, offering possibilities to examine one by one, this thread will produce much more light and way less heat.
But since that's not likely to happen on this thread, let me know if you're willing to pursue it and we can start another one dedicated to that question.
lol, in the link I gave you if you notice how many times Irenaeus uses the phrase "caught up",you'll figure out what it means,,,what do you think it means "the Christians saw Jesus coming and got so excited they got all tangled up in the clouds trying to get to him"?
JohnW,
Except for finding his Mark 13:30 challenge, I still have Tet on Ignore, where he will remain. I do see that he's posting actively. Is he flailing wildly again?
Funny you mention that. I just read yesterday how Mormons tend to have partial preterist leanings that are pretty much identical to those seen here.
It's English Grammar 101
Statement: This generation will not pass away
Condition: Until all these things be fulfilled.
Maybe you should consider a remedial English 101 course
Um....he uses the phrase ONCE in Book V, chp 29, which is the link you provided, and it has nothing to do with Darby's rapture.
Irenaeus said the following:
"..but they used the Mosaic law until the coming of the Lord; but from the Lord's advent, the new covenant which brings back peace, and the law which gives life, has gone forth over the whole earth, as the prophets said: "For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem ; and He shall rebuke many people; and they shall break down their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruninghooks, and they shall no longer learn to fight." - Against Heresies," Book IV, Chapter 34
Do you believe what Irenaeus said above?
Dispensationalism denies the New Covenant was put in place.
What say you?
Ask him about this:
"That's not my argument."I have never said that dispensationalism was "wrong" because of how old it was. I specifically said that no one taught about Christ coming back twice before Darby did."--habitual liar Wimpy Tet.
“I never said it was wrong for how old it is.”-Tet.
vs.
"My argument is that if there is not one single trace of something for 1,800+ years by anyone, then it was invented.”-Tet.
Joseph Smith was a contemporary of John Nelson Darby.
Both invented their belief systems in the mid 1800's.
Darby and Smith were not alone in the "age of the cults".
Charles Taze Russell, Ellen White, and Mary Baker Eddy were also contemporaries of John Nelson Darby and Joseph Smith during the "age of the cults".
lol,yep it's older than he thinks,,,
lol,yep it's older than he thinks,,,
Well....as we see, not one Darby follower can explain Matt 24:34
The Darby followers can't even agree amongst themselves with their excuses. So far in this thread we have five excuses by Darby followers.
It's such a simple verse, that is so simple to understand.
However, because the verse is a death knell to Dispensationalism, the Darby followers have to twist it into a pretzel in an attempt to validate their excuses.
The fact that we have FIVE different excuses from Darby followers as to why the verse doesn't really mean what it says, is proof that Darby followers have no interest in truth.
There's not a trace of a rapture or a secret parenthetical dispensation before Darby.
That's because Darby invented both.
But that won't stop you from being a Darby follower.
Well....as we see, not one Darby follower can explain Matt 24:34
The Darby followers can't even agree amongst themselves with their excuses. So far in this thread we have five excuses by Darby followers.
It's such a simple verse, that is so simple to understand.
However, because the verse is a death knell to Dispensationalism, the Darby followers have to twist it into a pretzel in an attempt to validate their excuses.
The fact that we have FIVE different excuses from Darby followers as to why the verse doesn't really mean what it says, is proof that Darby followers have no interest in truth.
There's not a trace of a rapture or a secret parenthetical dispensation before Darby.
That's because Darby invented both.
But that won't stop you from being a Darby follower.
no,you read A.H. 5.5.1&.2 and saw what he explained and don't want to admit to what he said http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book5.html