The pedophilia

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For me as a Catholic, this is my thought on the paedophilia

The Catholic priesthood used to be a good place for a pedophile violent criminal absolutely immoral man to hide out, and avoid justice. If there were criminal naïveté, then the other priests were guilty of that, but criminal naivete only applies to people working in criminal justice, not to just anybody, and the priests aren’t trained and prepared for violent criminals, which probably describes most of us, or at least many.

I don’t think that they are under any moral condemnation for basically not being up to the challenge of a life and death battle of wits against a violent criminal, let alone a number of them. The violent criminals were able to avoid detection for a long time, they knew exactly how their victims were as people, and they selected them based on traits that were easy for them to spot, since nobody ever thought to hide them, or to teach their children to hide them.

So the violent criminals were hunting illicit prey in broad daylight, and their prey could not see them at all, and the family of the prey also could not see the hunter. The hunter is good at hunting, and he hunted for a place to hunt illicit prey, freely without fear of being captured or detected, and they found that, in the priesthood of Jesus’s own Church! There, is where violent criminals thought to try to hide, and did so successfully, for decades! . . . Before enough smoke forced naïve innocent priests, to admit and accept that they had been infiltrated by violent criminals, who targeted, children.

They’re untrained in this. Many of us are similarly untrained in this, dealing with violent criminals. Do you know any violent criminals? Have you met any? I can tell you this: It's very hard to not find them spooky.

You want to accuse the non-criminal Catholic priests because there were always children involved, you say that they had special responsibility, because they were responsible for the safety of children. Well, what did you expect them to do? They were already being hoodwinked, they were under the spell of violent criminals who take deception to the level of a fine art, they were tricked, they were suckered, through no fault of their own, but because they were being very deliberately deceived, by hardened, unrepentant, practicing violent criminals, into thinking that there was no problem.

That’s their mental state, the non-criminal Catholic priests, when they’re faced with an accusation, which to them appears to be from out of the blue. They ask around to other priests who know him personally, what’s he like? General questions. Or, they even just already know the guy themselves. And he gets accused, by somebody, whether a child, a child’s sibling on the child’s behalf, the child’s parent, or even you hear from a fully grown adult, that they were victims of a violent criminal, who you know as the parish priest down the street from you.

I don’t know if there were any parish priests who were violent criminal paedophiles. I wouldn’t be surprised, if it wasn’t all just the priests holding school administration jobs, that there is only one place for a violent criminal to hide in the Catholic priesthood. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more than one place to hide in the Catholic priesthood, for a violent criminal who commits unconscionable violent crime against children.

The thing with the pedophiles is that they practiced. They weren’t repentant pedophiles who had harmed children but now will not; as bad as that sounds, it would have been far better than what happened, which was practicing paedophiles, who were able to hide, that they were pedophiles, and that they were actively practicing violent crime against children.

If there’s anyone, who’s doing anything spy-like, it’s not big tech, law enforcement, aliens or your neighbors. It’s a paedophile. That’s what a paedophile means. It means he was able to fool you so that he could commit violent crime against children, undetected, so you wouldn't know he was doing it. He is the sneakiest person you can imagine---he's way sneakier than you can imagine. He's 30 steps ahead of you. That's what it takes to trick your victim into not uttering a word of this to anybody, for 30 or more years. 30 steps ahead. That's how---it's tragic, but the right word is brilliant---that's how brilliant he is at deception, the paedophile violent criminal. 30 steps ahead of you.

The priests who are innocent were victimized by these violent criminals too. The Catholic priesthood bears a tarnish that it did not earn, it was the final lashing out by the paedophiles, who had already figured in, that if they were going to go down one day, 31 steps from now, that they were going to take everybody else down with them. The non-criminal priests were naïve. They trusted their fellow priests, their “brothers” too much, a little too much, in one particular way, and that’s all the paedophile violent criminals needed, just enough to sneak in to a very safe place for a violent criminal who wants to commit violent crimes against children, and not have anybody know, except the victims, and the violent criminal pedophile knows, how to keep his victim quiet.

He does it for multiple decades. His victims will not breathe about this to a soul, for at least, 20-30 years. Hopefully they figure something else out before that happens, or, they’re dead anyway.

And this is particularly important that it was the Catholic priesthood where they found a hiding spot. Not just because it was the right mix of social values for a brilliant deceiver to hide in, but because the paedophiles, in order to function as they do, must take to heart a philosophy that we can objectively characterize as relativism and nihilism, both of which are at direct odds with Catholicism the philosophy. Right in their midst, these non-criminal men of Catholicism, lived and worked with nihilists, who denied every article of the Catholic faith in their heart and in their head. Right in their midst, and they did not see them at all.

Just like all the child victims, and all the families of the child victims, the non-criminal priests also did not see these violent criminals, even though they were right there in front them all along.
 

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These priests are not paedophiles. They are hebephiles. They are attracted to post-pubescent high school aged kids. In other words, they are homosexuals.

A small percentage of them may be ephebephiles (attracted to middle school aged kids). But it's almost unheard of for a priest to be attracted to a prebuscent grade school child.

So why does the liberal media call them paedophiles? Because the liberal media will never be able to report on "the homosexual problem in the church." They are incapable of uttering the two words "homosexual" and "problem" in the same sentence.

Reporting on the false narrative of "paedophilia in the church" gets the reporters off the hook.
 

Idolater

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These priests are not paedophiles. They are hebephiles. They are attracted to post-pubescent high school aged kids. In other words, they are homosexuals.

A small percentage of them may be ephebephiles (attracted to middle school aged kids). But it's almost unheard of for a priest to be attracted to a prebuscent grade school child.

So why does the liberal media call them paedophiles? Because the liberal media will never be able to report on "the homosexual problem in the church." They are incapable of uttering the two words "homosexual" and "problem" in the same sentence.

Reporting on the false narrative of "paedophilia in the church" gets the reporters off the hook.
You've missed where it's a violent crime. Plenty of homosexuals are not violent criminals, but these paedophile men are violent criminals. Whether they preferred one sex or the other is a separate thing, and unrelated to them being violent criminals, who target children with their violent crime.
 

Trump Gurl

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These priests are not paedophiles. They are hebephiles. They are attracted to post-pubescent high school aged kids. In other words, they are homosexuals.
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That is correct. I read a great post about this, plus I skimmed through a pretty good book about it.

Despite what the media says, many homosexuals realize that something actually IS wrong with them. At one time Catholic homosexuals felt that being a priest with vows of celibacy would enable them to avoid their sexual issues. After all, if part of your job description is that you cannot have sex, then your problem is solved, you will not sin anymore, right?

Well, sexual sins have a very strong attraction, and they were wrong. They tried to take the lazy way out. So like you said, young men were available and their sinful nature got the better of them.

The news media made it all about pedophiles though. Why? To get people to hate the Church. Thats why.

That brings me to a major post I wish someone would help me write: Was the relentless attack on the Catholic Church a decade or so ago over this issue the opening salvo of today's cancel culture? And worse, were conservative protestant Christians willing accomplices by way of their dislike of Catholicism? They had to get the Catholic Church and its power out of the way after all. I remember reading a statement a protestant pastor had made years ago, It went something like, if the Catholic Church ever falls to the forces of secularism, the rest of the small churches will never stand a chance. Like us or not, we are the biggest force on the planet against abortion, gay marriage, etc.

An interesting thought.

EDIT: Remember, it was the Catholic Church hand in hand with Ronald Reagan that toppled Communism. Before the Socialist Democrats could do what they are doing today they had to get the Church out of the way first, right? They had to emasculate us so nobody would listen to us anymore. Today Catholic bishops do not wield nearly the influence they use to in the old days, thanks to the scandal.

 
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Trump Gurl

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You've missed where it's a violent crime. Plenty of homosexuals are not violent criminals, but these paedophile men are violent criminals. Whether they preferred one sex or the other is a separate thing, and unrelated to them being violent criminals, who target children with their violent crime.

I think you have mistakenly bought into the false reporting on this issue. Most of the cases involved young men. That is homosexuality The news mis-reported this on purpose because they promote homosexuality. We see now, in the age of Trump, how fake news can create massive propaganda lies and sell them. They did the same to the Catholic Church.
 
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Trump Gurl hit the nail on the head. It is a homosexual problem. They have infiltrated the priesthood. That being said, the problem in the Catholic Church isn't any bigger than other branches of Christianity. Other Churches have the same problem too. The Catholic Church has a big target painted on its back because it is the largest Church group. When secularist think Christian, their thought immediately turn to the Catholic Church. Like it or not, it is what has come to symbolize Christianity as a whole to the secular world. So media is going to attack it and paint its faults in living color, even though the same things are happening in other churches too.
 
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Trump Gurl

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Trump Gurl hit the nail on the head. It is a homosexual problem. They have infiltrated the priesthood. That being said, the problem in the Catholic Church isn't any bigger than other branches of Christianity. Other Churches have the same problem too. The Catholic Church has a big target painted on its back because it is the largest Church group. When secularist think Christian, their thought immediately turn to the Catholic Church. Like it or not, it is what have come to symbolize Christianity as a whole to the secular world. So media is going to attack it and paint its faults in living color, even though the same things are happening in other churches too.

That post is right on. Thanks. There was a time when a Catholic bishop could walk into the office of the New York Mayor and get his way, with the mayor in fear of losing votes. That is no longer the case and that is a major loss.

The Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan, recently came out against the attacks on the NYPD. Back in the day he could have gotten the Mayor to squash that. But today? With that idiot Bill de Blasio? He's not going to listen. Of course, back in the day, the Mayor would have never allowed that in the first place, but thats another story.

And the recent New York law allowing infanticide? We really needed the Church's influence on that one. But it could not wield it.

 

Idolater

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I think you have mistakenly bought into the false reporting on this issue. Most of the cases involved young men. That is homosexuality The news mis-reported this on purpose because they promote homosexuality. We see now, in the age of Trump, how fake news can create massive propaganda lies and sell them. They did the same to the Catholic Church.
Along with you apparently not fully appreciating that child rapist pedophiles are violent criminals (like murderers!), which is categorically different from all of us who are not violent criminals---including all non-violent-criminal homosexuals---you're also appearing to forget that another of the more common places where paedophile child rapists hide in society, is, along with formerly the Catholic priesthood, "step dad". They marry a divorced or widowed mother with kids. They deceive the mother, and rape the kids. All basically in broad daylight. And they're definitely not homosexuals.

It's not a homosexual thing. It's a CHILD RAPE thing. They don't care what sex the victim is.
 

Trump Gurl

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Along with you apparently not fully appreciating that child rapist pedophiles are violent criminals . . . .

I appreciate that. But thats not what happened. Thats the point.

It's not a homosexual thing. It's a CHILD RAPE thing

You don't seem to grasp the fact that the stats show that almost all cases involved young men. So you are wrong again.

When a 30 year old man has sex with a 17 year old boy, that is homosexuality. More precisely, it is what Jefferon said, "hebephiles" and "ephebephiles" which nails down the age group, but it is still homosexuality.

I am over 18. If I had sex with a 17 year old guy, would that make me guilty of "child rape?

You imbibed too much fake news on this topic.

Don't you understand that fake news played up the pedophile angle just to make people angry? They did to the Church what they did to Trump, strung out a false narrative over the course of years. You are a Catholic, why are you buying into fake news attacks on your own church?

But just to be clear, I am not excusing those priests. Them having sex with 15, 16 and 17 year old boys was still a grievous sin. But the point is, it has nothing to do with pedophilia
 
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Trump Gurl

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Well come on man, you can find a handful of pedophiles in every single group in America, and I mean EVERY single group, public, private, business, government, sports, you name it.

But that's not what the scandal in the Church is all about.

Look, if you want to join arms with CNN and MSNBC and the Catholic hating media and perpetuate this lie, a lie that Jefferson and Sherman could see through too, then you go right ahead. But it definitely puts you are the wrong side of the facts.
 

Idolater

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Well come on man, you can find a handful of pedophiles in every single group in America, and I mean EVERY single group, public, private, business, government, sports, you name it.

But that's not what the scandal in the Church is all about.

Look, if you want to join arms with CNN and MSNBC and the Catholic hating media and perpetuate this lie, a lie that Jefferson and Sherman could see through too, then you go right ahead. But it definitely puts you are the wrong side of the facts.
No it doesn't. The fact is that paedophile child rapists are the most dangerous of violent criminals! They aren't above murder even! They'll easily murder to continue to hide their real predilection, which is child rape. And because of the nature of this violent crime---against children!---requiring in a way their consent!---they must also be unimaginably deceitful.

Look how the NIV renders John 8:44 "When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." Speaking of Satan, but also true of pedophile child rapists. Their native language is deception. Deceivers. And I mean from the pit of hell deceivers. Murder you as soon as look at you, all to sustain their gig, where they get to rape children with impunity. If you get in their way they'll just up and kill you. Murder isn't the worst thing they'll do, is my point. Murder's just permissible for them.

And these are the violent criminal paedophile child rapist men who infiltrated the Catholic priesthood. I'm not on any wrong side of the facts.
 

Idolater

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I appreciate that. But thats not what happened. Thats the point.



You don't seem to grasp the fact that the stats show that almost all cases involved young men. So you are wrong again.

When a 30 year old man has sex with a 17 year old boy, that is homosexuality. More precisely, it is what Jefferon said, "hebephiles" and "ephebephiles" which nails down the age group, but it is still homosexuality.

I am over 18. If I had sex with a 17 year old guy, would that make me guilty of "child rape?

You imbibed too much fake news on this topic.

Don't you understand that fake news played up the pedophile angle just to make people angry? They did to the Church what they did to Trump, strung out a false narrative over the course of years. You are a Catholic, why are you buying into fake news attacks on your own church?

But just to be clear, I am not excusing those priests. Them having sex with 15, 1 and 17 year old boys was still a grievous sin. But the point is, it has nothing to do with pedophilia
Why did you not address pedophile child rapist step-dads at all? It's common. And incidentally, it's another reason that confirms the Church's sexual ethics, that neither homosexual offenses, nor remarriage after divorce, are licit, and both constitute grave matter. Both also happen to be used as smoke screens by paedophile child rapist violent criminals, to hide and deceive, while they rape children.

It doesn't mean we should outlaw homosexuality or remarriage after divorce, it's just evidence consistent with the Church's Apostolic teachings being good. Which is no surprise for us Catholics.
 

Trump Gurl

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Okay. Out of this massive pedophile priest ring of yours, if its such a scandal, you can link me to at least 10 court convictions of pedophile rape.

Go ahead. I will wait. 10 is surely a tiny number for this massive pedophile ring that you and CNN claim, so go ahead, link us. I'll wait.
 

Trump Gurl

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Why did you not address pedophile child rapist step-dads at all?

Because we are talking about priests, not dads. Don't you know what your own thread is about?

I repeat: Out of this massive pedophile priest ring of yours, if its such a scandal, you can link me to at least 10 court convictions of pedophile rape.

Go ahead. I will wait. 10 is surely a tiny number for this massive pedophile ring that you and CNN claim, so go ahead, link us. I'll wait.
 

Idolater

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Okay. Out of this massive pedophile ring of yours, if its such a scandal, you can link me to at least 10 court convictions of pedophile rape.

Go ahead. I will wait. 10 is surely a tiny number for this massive pedophile ring that you and CNN claim, so go ahead, link us. I'll wait.
Stop it. Child rape is child rape. Oh, there are special child rapists over here, we give them special names, but they're child rapists. They're violent criminals. They're straight out of hell. Why are you trying to protect some of them.
 

Idolater

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Because we are talking about priests, not dads. Don't you know what your own thread is about?
Actually it is about how the innocent priests during the pedophilia, are all also victims of violent crime, which is my answer to charges against the Church, that seems to indicate complicity with these violent criminal child raping paedophiles, who lied and deceived and hid the truth from all the good Christian innocent priests. There was no deliberate consent nor full knowledge on their part. They were tricked by wicked tricksters, who are literally the worst of the worst violent criminals, who target children.
I repeat: Out of this massive pedophile priest ring of yours, if its such a scandal, you can link me to at least 10 court convictions of pedophile rape.

Go ahead. I will wait. 10 is surely a tiny number for this massive pedophile ring that you and CNN claim, so go ahead, link us. I'll wait.
Stop it.
 

Trump Gurl

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. . . . They're straight out of hell. Why are you trying to protect some of them.

Now you listen to me Bub, I don't defend any evil doer so you watch your mouth. If you would read more and talk less, you would have seen what I posted: I said: "just to be clear, I am not excusing those priests. Them having sex with 15, 1 and 17 year old boys was still a grievous sin"

Did you happen to catch that part of my post? No, you were too busy shooting your mouth off.

Sin is sin and evil is evil and I condemn it all. But as another poster said elsewhere, you cannot fix a problem until you correctly identify the problem, and the problem is not pedophilia or child rape you idiot. You are just mouthing fake news. The problem is homosexual priests.

You are a mouthpiece for the Catholic and Christian hating fake news media. Congratulations. Make sure you genuflect on your way out.
 
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