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[Cross Reference]

Those who were actually elected of God before the foundation of the world
are the only ones who were destined for salvation.
And these are the only ones to whom the many dozens of NT warning passages
were written to.

Why the warning messages if they can't lose their salvation, hmmm? Perhaps you can explain that?

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Many years ago, I was warned about this passage by my pastor …
Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,
cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Benjamin Baruch (one of God’s last-days prophets/watchmen) says:
“Our nation is full of professing Christians, who assume they will go to heaven,
yet the Lord declares (see above) that many on that day will be cast out!
These poor souls were converted, and some had even done miracles in His name,
yet they never knew Him. Dear reader, ask the Lord to test your heart.
Do you know Him? Does His word abide in you? Are you abiding in Him?
Do not trust in the mere confession of faith, but see if you have the love of
the Father in your heart and the evidence of salvation, which is the desire
to please and obey Him as Lord … I asked the Lord what was different
about the many that did not know Him, but only knew His name.
He answered me saying,
“These are they who have never received of my character, and were never
changed by my words, and have never learned to walk in my ways.
To them I will say, ‘Lo Ammi. You are not my people.’ “

Quite a good example of this is seen here …

John 15:
1 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away,
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him,
bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,
and it shall be done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.
10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,
just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

I see verse 21 below as a parallel passage to verse 10 above.
We are required to follow Jesus’ example of obeying God’s commandments,
which is perhaps the biggest part of overcoming, i.e. of being an overcomer.

Revelation 21:
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door,
I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

I realize you (of the Laodicean church, Rev 3) hate all of these troubling NT
passages that warn about loss of salvation. And I realize that you prefer
Scriptures such as John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, and etc.
But, please understand that there are many dozens of warning verses,
and the Lord insists that your co-operation with the Holy Spirit and
your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!

Keep preaching it.

Even if only one person in the world takes warning from it and repents then it is worth it.

LA

 

[meshak]

99% of believers today belong to the Laodicean church, and have absolutely NO desire to reconcile the NT verses ... because doing so would mean obeying Jesus' commandments!
That's all there is to it.

You are so right.

Obeying Jesus became "you are trying to be saved by works".

Obeying Jesus' teachings is so churchly incorrect.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You are so right.

Obeying Jesus became "you are trying to be saved by works".

Obeying Jesus' teachings is so churchly incorrect.

Thank you Sir. Blessings.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

...

 

[patrick jane]

You are so right.

Obeying Jesus became "you are trying to be saved by works".

Obeying Jesus' teachings is so churchly incorrect.

Churchly ? you made up a word

 

[Totton Linnet]

You are so right.

Obeying Jesus became "you are trying to be saved by works".

Obeying Jesus' teachings is so churchly incorrect.

*
Your very first act of "obedience" to Jesu's commands was to break wedlock. You've been going downhill ever since

 

[ZacharyB]

....you...
...your...

You... are totally out of your mind.
ALL true believers are to maintain their righteousness standing before the Father
via sincere repentance of their on-going sins, and the ALL includes moi.

I wonder how much repenting righteous believers such as Zach and Liz (Luke 1)
have to do ... interesting question, no?

People like you who insist on preaching a false gospel will receive the greater condemnation!
Perhaps it's not too late to repent of your ridiculous FFF: Female Filled-with-emotion Follies.

 

[ZacharyB]

Why the warning messages if they can't lose their salvation, hmmm? Perhaps you can explain that?

I toughts I already had and have.
Please pretend you're not beyond retirement age and consider:
The elect PROVE they are the elect ...
by actually responding properly to all of those dire warnings in the NT!
Of course, not all of the elect need to respond to them,
just because they are already living righteously ...
... and my favs (pre new covenant) are Zacharooneeo and the Liz.
The udders prove they are NOT the elect of God by not responding properly.

 

[ZacharyB]

Keep preaching it.
Even if only one person in the world takes warning from it
and repents then it is worth it./QUOTE]

Thanks for the encouragement, brother.
How are you progressing with accepting the Scriptural Triune Godhead?
At the very least, IT is what God desires for us to believe.
Or else, the NT has been tampered with in a very heavy-duty manner.
However ...
whatever is written therein is what God desires for us to believe
... 'cause it is all we have to go by.
And the Holy Spirit confirms this Truth big-time!
God honors His written word, and honors those who honor it.

 

[Totton Linnet]

You... are totally out of your mind.
ALL true believers are to maintain their righteousness standing before the Father
via sincere repentance of their on-going sins, and the ALL includes moi.
People like you who insist on preaching a false gospel will receive the greater condemnation!
Perhaps it's not too late to repent of your ridiculous FFF: Female Filled-with-emotion Folly.

If we have peace and joy and fellowship with the Holy Ghost now we will not fear standing before Him then.

But if our hearts condemn us now.....? you have condemnation, it is your life, your message

 

[Cross Reference]

I toughts I already had and have.
Please pretend you're not beyond retirement age and consider:
The elect PROVE they are the elect ...
by actually responding properly to all of those dire warnings in the NT!
Of course, not all of the elect need to respond to them,
just because they are already living righteously ...
... and my favs (pre new covenant) are Zacharooneeo and the Liz.
The udders prove they are NOT the elect of God by not responding properly.

Do you know what OTL means? You need that pinned on you.. Do you know that even the very elect can be deceived? Jesus said that. If that is true, and it is, the warnings are necessary even for them.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Keep preaching it.
Even if only one person in the world takes warning from it
and repents then it is worth it./QUOTE]

Thanks for the encouragement, brother.
How are you progressing with accepting the Scriptural Triune Godhead?
At the very least, IT is what God desires for us to believe.
Or else, the NT has been tampered with in a very heavy-duty manner.
However ...
whatever is written therein is what God desires for us to believe
... 'cause it is all we have to go by.
And the Holy Spirit confirms this Truth big-time!
God honors His written word, and honors those who honor it.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[ZacharyB]

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Another "one God" Scripture ...
John 17:
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
4 I have glorified You on the earth.
I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Jesus shared the Father's glory before creation.
And we must know BOTH He and the Father.
Sounds like equality everywhere!

John 10:
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish ...
Above, gaining eternal life has nothing to do with the Father.
Knowing Jesus, and Him knowing you, is the key.

More "one" ... Paul in Ephesians said there is one baptism.
That is way more than a hilarious joke!
The NT describes at least 4 different baptisms.

Somehow, these "one" verses need to be understood for what they actually mean.