The Missing Gap in Genesis
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I think he means, try understanding every sentence in the books of Daniel and Revelation. Good luck! I know a lot of it, but not even everything. Nice to see you back again. Where have you been??
Warm Wishes,
Michael
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How old do you understand the earth to be and why?
Are you suggesting that there have not been mass extinctions? Why is it that most scientists (and I would suggest all who really study the issue) accept the fact of mass extinctions at various times?
The first days that Adam was on the evolved Earth were like any other days. The ancient story used by the Hebrews to write their exaggerated history confused the first 7 days Adam and Eve were on the Earth, surveying the garden prepared for them with a singular creation event. That is why simple physics don't match the story.
Genesis was written by Holy men in an enchanted age for the child like minds of the common, illiterate Israelite.
Well yes, and Judges.
But I think you can understand every bit of scripture in a general psychological or sociological sense.
Thanks!
Stuart
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It would seem most evolutionists don't understand that natural selection only eliminates pre-existing information.
"Negative frequency dependant selection) is one of the few forms of natural selection that can act to preserve genetic variation,[/b]most forms of natural selection lead to the loss of genetic variation as unfit alleles are "weeded out" of the population."
http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios101/Selexio.htm
Ok, you have a point.
How about when Peter says one day is a thousand years?
It is written the same in the OT too.
6days
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Yes...and a thousand years as a day.
The Hebrew word "Yom" meaning day, is always understood by context... the same as in English.
I could say... 'Back in the day when Meshak was a teenager, she spent 10 straight days, cleaning fish during the day'.
The word day has 3 different meanings all within one sentence yet its easy to understand because of context. Likewise in the Hebrew... when a number is associated with the word 'yom' / day; it always refers to a normal 24 hour day. (like 10 days in above sentence).
The verse you use is also easy to understand in context. God is not telling us that words are meaningless. For example, Christ was not in the tomb for 3 eras, or 3 long periods of time. It was 3 days.
What, it seems that way to you?
Do you know 'most evolutionists'?
What is an 'evolutionist'?
Stuart
were those unfit alleles all present at creation?
exminister
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How much time was there between Genesis 2 and 3?
I have never heard anyone talk about that.
I have never heard anyone talk about that.
6days
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The short answer is "no".
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Most people think it was a matter of days only since it seems the children were born after Eden.
exminister
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Is it possible it was not days? Adam had to name lots of animals.
The Bible is a real short book considering it covers even 6000 years. Could the brevity be misleading?
Did aging start in those 6 days or when sin entered the world?
We do live such short lives and that can skew our thinking as well. When we are children a day seems sooooo long because we haven't lived many of them. As we age we cannot believe how fast a year goes by.
I just wonder if Adam and Eve lived a very long period before they sinned and then aging began. Also God blocked conception until sin entered the world.
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Luke 4:20
"And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him"
Luke 4:21
"And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears"
Oh look, Jesus is teaching us that there's a 'Gap' in the middle of a verse.
So now that we know Jesus taught "Gap Fact", let's see what happens when we finally reach the other half of the sentence...
Isaiah 61:2
"To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn"
The day of vengeance?!?
What does that look like?
Jeremiah 4:23
"I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light"
Where have we heard that before?
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What it depicts is the instant after Gen 1:1. Formless and empty is taken care of in verses 3-27.
There's no prophesy in Gen 1, just historical fact.
So you believe in mutation as real.
And, correct me if I am wrong, you believe natural selection happens
(hence your acceptance of 'microevolution').
And you believe in the massive rate of evolutionary change that took a boat full of animal species from a few thousand years ago to the present range of their decedents.
All I can conclude is you refuse to acknowledge evolution by natural selection on two grounds:
1. You deny that any mutation could possibly be beneficial, which is obviously ridiculous.
2. You deny that the earth has a billions of years long history. You would think me mad to deny that the incidents of the 11th of September took place in New York. That is exactly how others feel about your denial of history. I assume you know why YECs believe the earth is only a few thousand years old.
That's all that stops you from understanding natural history. And you have no good reason for either denial.
Stuart
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Adam named the animals on the 6th day. (Not all animals)
No.
After sin.
The curse involved immediate spiritual death, and a PROCESS of physical death. The Hebrew translation of what God said to Adam could be 'dying, you shall die'.
Go blocked conception? No... He said "Be fruitful and increase in number"
Now..... imagine.... 2 naked married people both with perfect bodies. And yet no kids till after Eden? Me thinks they likely did not spend many days in paradise, but I could be wrong.
6days
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I've not used 'microevolution' as a term. However I do believe God created organisms with the ability to rapidly adapt and survive to changing conditions.
Yes, mutations happen. And yes natural selection sometimes removes pre-existing information from a populations. It never create
You misstate things a bit. The ship Noah built had a rail car capacity of about 550. That certainly is big enough to have had 2 of every kind of animal.
And yes, diversity within genomes would allow for lots of diversity in a short period. (Dogs are a good example)
In some rare instances, mutations have a beneficial outcome, but through a loss of preexisting info. For example... a loss of specificity to an enzyme might have a benefit.
Certainly I would think you are at the least in denial.
Likewise, when you deny God's Word, I think you are in denial.