The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[freelight]

Consider afresh......

Consider afresh......

Christ Michael is a figment of a criminal and warped imagination. Jesus Christ is the Holy Name of our Lord and Saviour - the Son of God - God the Son - one with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. The urantia papers are a sick and twisted theft of the Holy Bible. The urantia papers add and take away much in the theft of the Holy Bible. The plaques written about are also in the Book of Revelation. I wouldn't want anything to do with the urantia papers for many reasons, including God's promise of horrible punishment.

Info. on the 'Creator Sons' who are known as 'Michaels' have been provided if you would understand the name/title. 'Jesus Christ' is not so much a name as it is a 'title', if you include 'Christ' to the appellation, - while 'Jesus' is the greek variation of the name 'Joshua', convert that further to 'Yahshua', 'Yeshua', 'Yehoshua', etc. Why not address Jesus by his original Hebrew name? Seems a matter of 'fashion' really.

Furthermore, other names Jesus went by, such as 'Saint Issa' in his travels in the East, and in some ascended master schools, his spirit name is 'Sananda'. - so, whatever particular form or name we give a person, may have variations depending on etymology, culture-context, revelation, faith-tradition, etc.

Revelation 22:18-19 KJV 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

You might note that this verse is speaking ONLY of the Book of Revelation itself, not the entire Bible (as variously canonized by men). - therefore it does not necessarily address other books or collections of books or 'papers' as in the Urantia material.



pj

 

[freelight]

Universal Truth..................

Universal Truth..................

Man, you sure have your urantia propaganda, down pat!

It was merely a creative commentary on some passages of the UB, similar to my work on any other religious work, book or record, since I'm a student of many schools.

Truth is universal. 'God' is a universal reality, the Absolute One itself (The Universal Father of all). - all else are relative descriptions, expressions, translations or reflections of the One Reality in whatever relation or context. A course in comparative religions, philosophy and metaphysics might be helpful to you.


pj

 

[Aimiel]

We can see from the backward frightened savages that populate this fallen earth just how difficult it is for God to reveal anything new to the earth without interfering with the faith guided evolutionary plan. If the bible idol said God was made of pudding they would defend that as well.

If He said it, since He doesn't lie: it would be true. He said, "Let there be light," and it came to pass. All you would have said was: "Wow!!! It sure is dark." Because you love darkness, that is all you will ever have. If you loved The Light, you would come to Him. He is proven by your actions, even if you never realize it.

 

[Aimiel]

Point taken, but the UB doesn’t claim to be written by God, neither does the Bible for that matter.

Actually, It does:

2 Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God spoke and the writers put down what He instructed them to write: word-for-word.

It's the Church or temple authorities that make that claim in order to control.

No, it's those who've followed the roadmap found in The Holy Scriptures who've actually met The Living God through His guidance.

The motive might be innocent and even good, but the practice stunts and retards any new truth.

Good thing then that God looks at us differently than men do:

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

When one's intent is to undermine His Truth, He sees it.

Matthew 12:36
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

You will have no excuse on judgment day.

 

[Aimiel]

A course in comparative religions, philosophy and metaphysics might be helpful to you.

When one has the genuine and knows genuine, one doesn't need to study counterfeits. :duh:

 

[jackieshine]

i have been a Urantia Book reader from 1981 - i think Paul has been the bearer of "spiritual truth" long enough - the UB is a new revelation and it follows closely what Jesus taught to his true apostles and disciples. Paul is not an apostle despite with the Bible says about him - he did not spend 3 years with Jesus like the true apostles did - he did not get the life experience living with Jesus that would make him an expert - Paul teaches a religion about Jesus, not the religion of Jesus

 

[freelight]

Just add water......

Just add water......

We can see from the backward frightened savages that populate this fallen earth just how difficult it is for God to reveal anything new to the earth without interfering with the faith guided evolutionary plan. If the bible idol said God was made of pudding they would defend that as well.

Don't forget the various 'apologists' who would defend and debate the 'brand' or 'ingredients' of the pudding :sherlock:



pj

 

[intojoy]

Child please

 

[freelight]

the 'logos' of truth.....is universal.............

the 'logos' of truth.....is universal.............

If He said it, since He doesn't lie: it would be true. He said, "Let there be light," and it came to pass. All you would have said was: "Wow!!! It sure is dark." Because you love darkness, that is all you will ever have. If you loved The Light, you would come to Him. He is proven by your actions, even if you never realize it.

'Light' is knowledge, and this knowledge of truth in every sector of existence unfolds on both 'evolutionary' and 'revelatory' levels. Since you haven't read or studied any of the UB to an adequate or significant degree (main principles, cosmological context, systematic-theology), you are unqualified to critique or debate the revelation, apart from misinformation, ignorance and assumptions.



pj

 

[freelight]

One Light in various informations..............

One Light in various informations..............

Do you suppose that one might replace the "bible idol" with a different idol of book form?

One might have a "bible idol", while another has a different "book idol", and both be in the same 'boat'? Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black? There is an awful big selection of "idol bibles" out there.

Hmmmm, let's see..., which book should I make my idol?

Any 'book', 'person', 'denomination' or 'religious-belief' can become an 'idol'. Truth itself is a living reality, revealing itself from moment to moment, unfolding by the natural course of life itself, as well as times of divine revelation, as the 'light' of God reflects the reality of itself interiorly, while forms and appearances on the outside change according to the natural movements of creation (here arises the science of 'relationships').

'God' is the primal reality. - all else are but translations of that, in various language-forms, modifications, distortions and value-symbols.

Reality is mirrored in its various reflections.



pj

 

[Aimiel]

'Light' is knowledge, and this knowledge of truth in every sector of existence unfolds on both 'evolutionary' and 'revelatory' levels. Since you haven't read or studied any of the UB to an adequate or significant degree (main principles, cosmological context, systematic-theology), you are unqualified to critique or debate the revelation, apart from misinformation, ignorance and assumptions.

No. Knowledge is knowledge. The Light I was speaking of is God's Presence. You have never know That Presence. If you did: you'd never walk away from It. The Light is a burning fire. It is a desire to be consumed. It is not knowledge. Knowledge is your idol. You worship the 'images' of gods you have formed in your mind. If you worshiped God you would know Truth. You would recognize Him when He speaks. You spurn Him every chance you get. You trample His Blood under your feet every single day. Knowledge, even right knowledge or Truth 'about' God doesn't get you any closer to Him. The ONLY thing that can get you into His Presence is The Blood of The Lamb. Without it you could know every single fact God has ever revealed to everyone who has ever lived and still not be one inch closer to Him.

Again: knowing God, Who is The Only Living God and is The Only Genuine God... I do not have to know one single thing about counterfeit gods to recognize that they are NOT God. The UB is counterfeit. It is NOT from God. It is about a fictitious god whom I've nicknamed: Jebus. I do not know Jebus, since he is a stranger. I know Jesus. He is a stranger to you. If you knew Him you'd know a stranger when he attempts to act or talk 'like' Jesus. You are off the path of life and need to find repentance. If God grants you repentance, take it. If He doesn't, you'll be lost forever. Urantia cannot save you. Michael cannot save you. Demons cannot add to or take away from The Holy Scriptures. Tossing Them aside is not a good idea.

 

[Caino]

Why I've never believed in the human sacrifice doctrine of the Pagans adopted by the architects of the Christian religion about----> Jesus




"(41.2) 2:6.4 The concept of God as a king-judge, although it fostered a high moral standard and created a law-respecting people as a group, left the individual believer in a sad position of insecurity respecting his status in time and in eternity. The later Hebrew prophets proclaimed God to be a Father to Israel; Jesus revealed God as the Father of each human being. The entire mortal concept of God is transcendently illuminated by the life of Jesus. Selflessness is inherent in parental love. God loves not like a father, but as a father. He is the Paradise Father of every universe personality.

(41.3) 2:6.5 Righteousness implies that God is the source of the moral law of the universe. Truth exhibits God as a revealer, as a teacher. But love gives and craves affection, seeks understanding fellowship such as exists between parent and child. Righteousness may be the divine thought, but love is a father’s attitude. The erroneous supposition that the righteousness of God was irreconcilable with the selfless love of the heavenly Father, presupposed absence of unity in the nature of Deity and led directly to the elaboration of the atonement doctrine, which is a philosophic assault upon both the unity and the free-willness of God.

(41.4) 2:6.6 The affectionate heavenly Father, whose spirit indwells his children on earth, is not a divided personality — one of justice and one of mercy — neither does it require a mediator to secure the Father’s favor or forgiveness. Divine righteousness is not dominated by strict retributive justice; God as a father transcends God as a judge.

 

[Aimiel]

The very best reason to reject Urantia as heresy is that it causes adherents to trample Jesus' Blood under their feet. He didn't die in vain. He died to become a ransom for many who would believe in the salvation that He provided. It is the ONLY way to be saved from sins.

 

[journey]

i have been a Urantia Book reader from 1981 - i think Paul has been the bearer of "spiritual truth" long enough - the UB is a new revelation and it follows closely what Jesus taught to his true apostles and disciples. Paul is not an apostle despite with the Bible says about him - he did not spend 3 years with Jesus like the true apostles did - he did not get the life experience living with Jesus that would make him an expert - Paul teaches a religion about Jesus, not the religion of Jesus

You reject the Holy Bible, but you accept a cheap theft and twisting of God's Word. That's all the urantia book is. The Holy Bible has endured these thousands of years and will continue to endure forever. The urantia book is the new kid on the block and wouldn't exist without the Holy Bible. Stealing from the Holy Bible and twisting what was stolen is how the urantia book came into existence.

 

[freelight]

Proper perspective......

Proper perspective......

Did Jesus partake of the eucharist? We know there were priests around in his day.

Covered, see all links in this post onwards - here.

The UB clearly reveals the 'Eucharist' as a 'remembrance supper' or 'memorial', the 'wine' and 'bread' symbolizing the life and sustenance of the Spirit being shared among fellow believers, - the 'blood' DID NOT represent any concept or symbol of a Savior shedding his blood to atone for sins. This was a concept incorporated into the memorial ritual from the Jewish sacrificial system, pagan mystery religious rites, and related 'atonement concepts' emphasized in Paul's gospel.



pj

 

[freelight]

Discover for yourself.............

Discover for yourself.............

You reject the Holy Bible, but you accept a cheap theft and twisting of God's Word.

Proving that such is God's word is the first 'hurdle' or 'roadblock', since as Caino mentioned earlier neither the Bible itself, neither the Urantia Book claims to somehow be "God's word", although its assumed that men spoke or wrote as they were moved by the Breath of God (to varying degrees), and that man may serve as a 'medium' for giving forth revelation from heavenly beings or resources.

That's all the urantia book is.

Oh, its much more than your misconceived perception of it. How much have you read of it so far, in order to really know what you're criticizing? Have you done honest research by accessing all shared in this thread to make an informed determination? Research is key, - keep asking, seeking and knocking. The truth is ever-present, ever-available, within the reach of all....and can unfold or be 'related' to in many different forms, archetype-symbols and language patterns. God is LIGHT (the source of all energy, life, consciousness).

The Holy Bible has endured these thousands of years and will continue to endure forever.

We may more properly say that only 'God' alone who has no beginning or end, is the only reality that endures, being unborn, indivisible, unchanging,...the source and root of all creation, the support of all that exists, or ever will exist since nothing can exist independent of its original source. Only that which is timeless in nature is unaffected by time, yet includes all illusions of time.

The urantia book is the new kid on the block and wouldn't exist without the Holy Bible.

A newer religious work and revelation, yes. Naturally former dispensations of religious principles and truths are confirmed or corrected and EXPANDED on, with progressive revelation. You don't worship only the foundation or bedrock of a beautiful building, but the totality of it, all that is built up from it, and is added thereto, as a whole. (don't forget the super-structure, beams, pillars, windows, arches, spires, etc.)

Stealing from the Holy Bible and twisting what was stolen is how the urantia book came into existence.

You only assume what the UB is (again, how much of it have you read?), since it confirms and adds to the mass of human knowledge of that time that it was 'transmitted', in fields of 'science', 'philosophy' AND 'religion', (so the base knowledge is early 20th century) plus so much more in the greater cosmology of the Grand Universe. Since the revelators claim they're using what human knowledge then existed and expanding more light into and upon it,...the Bible is naturally a religious work that it illuminates, attempts to correct where needed and expound upon.

Keynote: Progressive Revelation


The UB Fellowship



pj

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Proving that such is God's word is the first 'hurdle' or 'roadblock', since as Caino mentioned earlier neither the Bible itself, neither the Urantia Book claims to somehow be "God's word", although its assumed that men spoke or wrote as they were moved by the Breath of God (to varying degrees), and that man may serve as a 'medium' for giving forth revelation from heavenly beings or resources.



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Not that you "new age heathens" will accept this however,
2 Timothy 3:16 states; "All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

 

[journey]

Not that you "new age heathens" will accept this however,
2 Timothy 3:16 states; "All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Amen!

And, we all know that the urantia book would not exist except for the prior existence of the Holy Bible. The writers of the urantia book committed theft before they used their imagination on their fairy tales. Actually, the term "fairy tales" is giving the urantia book too much credit.The urantia book is the authority for absolutely NOTHING.

 

[JosephR]

Not that you "new age heathens" will accept this however,
2 Timothy 3:16 states; "All scripture is given by
inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

and yet you let man define scripture for you .. that is of God... how foolish..

Tell me where Timothy told you it would be in your version of the Bible He never heard of before.

You been sold my friend,,and u bought hook line and sinker..

 

[JosephR]

Amen!

And, we all know that the urantia book would not exist except for the prior existence of the Holy Bible. The writers of the urantia book committed theft before they used their imagination on their fairy tales. Actually, the term "fairy tales" is giving the urantia book too much credit.The urantia book is the authority for absolutely NOTHING.

you should look in the mirror before you damn.

I am not speaking for or against the UB, just your logic..

You let a bunch of Pagans decide what went in your "Holy Bible" now you set in judgement of others... how despicable.