Hilarious. This was supposedly one person talking (you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe even that) and yet these famous fruitcakes refer to him by the third person plural pronoun.
Stuart
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Hi Caino, In reference to THE plural (The third Party being).
It seems almost as if these Doctors Have weighed themselves in, as some where in the party?
The same thing always crosses my mind, the trinity back then in the (1800'S)... a powerful obstacle;yet te necesasary Mark?
Anything other than that, do they feel they themselves are FIRST AN SECOND party?
It seems almost as if these Doctors Have weighed themselves in, as some where in the party?
The same thing always crosses my mind, the trinity back then in the (1800'S)... a powerful obstacle;yet te necesasary Mark?
Anything other than that, do they feel they themselves are FIRST AN SECOND party?
The sum of your materialistic philosophy, as I have gleaned it from your constant criticism, demonstrates a gullibility of it's own; that mind evolved from mater all on it's own. You have all the components of the very practice of faith which you are so critical of in others.
"Neither should science discount religious experience on grounds of credulity, not so long as it persists in the assumption that man’s intellectual and philosophic endowments emerged from increasingly lesser intelligences the further back they go, finally taking origin in primitive life which was utterly devoid of all thinking and feeling."
Caino
Just like the followers of Jesus, those associated with the Urantia revelation had to throw out some of their most cherished, life long religious foundations as these new revelations were superior. Over the years they started to realize just how much their own beliefs were changed by this new information.
Oddly enough though, the "sleeping subject" who was the oracle of the revelation, remained indifferent, uninterested in the entire matter.
Caino
Charity
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Hence, they struggle from the clutches of the 1800's Roman catholic church; wounded by deceit; grieving the powered messnger Jesus?
While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
Yes, the authority of the church still controlled and limited their potential spiritual freedoms.
The remarkable thing about revelation is how it is always done in such a way as not to interfere with natural evolution; however it does provide new insights which can be adopted by perceptive individuals.
"Revelation is evolutionary but always progressive. Down through the ages of a world’s history, the revelations of religion are ever-expanding and successively more enlightening. It is the mission of revelation to sort and censor the successive religions of evolution. But if revelation is to exalt and upstep the religions of evolution, then must such divine visitations portray teachings which are not too far removed from the thought and reactions of the age in which they are presented. Thus must and does revelation always keep in touch with evolution. Always must the religion of revelation be limited by man’s capacity of receptivity."
Caino
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Life is for loving......
Life is for loving......
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In the process of evolutionary growth and progress of religious values and concepts,....revelation comes to enhance, augment and add new insights and comprehensions of truth, spearheading the wisdom of a planet, raising it to its epochal crest as it were
Hence the UP claims to be the 'Fifth Epochal Revelation' to our planet. The Papers stand on their own, whether they hold any meaning and value to man, and it is on its own inherent or revealed wisdom that it bears its credentials or spiritual fruit, however received or practiced. I see it is a com-prehension of religious truths, an apex of philosophical discourse held within a higher cosmological context, especially in light of the 'ascension-plan' of mortals in their journey towards the paradisical center of All That IS,......the First Source and Center. 'God' is the eternal, original, infinite center of all reality - all springs from that epi-center and re-turns to it in one form or another.
What a beautiful journey this life is, a grand opportunity of unlimited potential and progress. That's what Life is all about, and thats what the papers expound and proclaim.
Glory to 'God'!
pj
Life is for loving......
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In the process of evolutionary growth and progress of religious values and concepts,....revelation comes to enhance, augment and add new insights and comprehensions of truth, spearheading the wisdom of a planet, raising it to its epochal crest as it were
Hence the UP claims to be the 'Fifth Epochal Revelation' to our planet. The Papers stand on their own, whether they hold any meaning and value to man, and it is on its own inherent or revealed wisdom that it bears its credentials or spiritual fruit, however received or practiced. I see it is a com-prehension of religious truths, an apex of philosophical discourse held within a higher cosmological context, especially in light of the 'ascension-plan' of mortals in their journey towards the paradisical center of All That IS,......the First Source and Center. 'God' is the eternal, original, infinite center of all reality - all springs from that epi-center and re-turns to it in one form or another.
What a beautiful journey this life is, a grand opportunity of unlimited potential and progress. That's what Life is all about, and thats what the papers expound and proclaim.
Glory to 'God'!
pj
Aimiel
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Jesus remains The Only Way into Heaven, The One and Only Truth regarding God and The One and ONLY eternal life. The Truth of the Old Testament wasn't 'thrown out' when The Author of Life walked this earth and His New Testament certainly cannot be overthrown by any 'new' revelation. :duh:
Charity
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Well That leaves mediation responsible for the lose of creation.
The Urantia revelation gives a glimpse of life on a nearby planet, it's interesting to look at their taxation and Federal debt in light of what is happening to America.
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-72-government-neighboring-planet
(815.1) 72:7.1 The federal government is paternalistic only in the administration of old-age pensions and in the fostering of genius and creative originality; the state governments are slightly more concerned with the individual citizen, while the local governments are much more paternalistic or socialistic. The city (or some subdivision thereof) concerns itself with such matters as health, sanitation, building regulations, beautification, water supply, lighting, heating, recreation, music, and communication.
(815.2) 72:7.2 In all industry first attention is paid to health; certain phases of physical well-being are regarded as industrial and community prerogatives, but individual and family health problems are matters of personal concern only. In medicine, as in all other purely personal matters, it is increasingly the plan of government to refrain from interfering.
(815.3) 72:7.3 Cities have no taxing power, neither can they go in debt. They receive per capita allowances from the state treasury and must supplement such revenue from the earnings of their socialistic enterprises and by licensing various commercial activities.
(815.4) 72:7.4 The rapid-transit facilities, which make it practical greatly to extend the city boundaries, are under municipal control. The city fire departments are supported by the fire-prevention and insurance foundations, and all buildings, in city or country, are fireproof — have been for over seventy-five years.
(815.5) 72:7.5 There are no municipally appointed peace officers; the police forces are maintained by the state governments. This department is recruited almost entirely from the unmarried men between twenty-five and fifty. Most of the states assess a rather heavy bachelor tax, which is remitted to all men joining the state police. In the average state the police force is now only one tenth as large as it was fifty years ago.
(815.6) 72:7.6 There is little or no uniformity among the taxation schemes of the one hundred comparatively free and sovereign states as economic and other conditions vary greatly in different sections of the continent. Every state has ten basic constitutional provisions which cannot be modified except by consent of the federal supreme court, and one of these articles prevents levying a tax of more than one per cent on the value of any property in any one year, homesites, whether in city or country, being exempted.
(815.7) 72:7.7 The federal government cannot go in debt, and a three-fourths referendum is required before any state can borrow except for purposes of war. Since the federal government cannot incur debt, in the event of war the National Council of Defense is empowered to assess the states for money, as well as for men and materials, as it may be required. But no debt may run for more than twenty-five years.
(815.8) 72:7.8 Income to support the federal government is derived from the following five sources:
(815.9) 72:7.9 1. Import duties. All imports are subject to a tariff designed to protect the standard of living on this continent, which is far above that of any other nation on the planet. These tariffs are set by the highest industrial court after both houses of the industrial congress have ratified the recommendations of the chief executive of economic affairs, who is the joint appointee of these two legislative bodies. The upper industrial house is elected by labor, the lower by capital.
(816.1) 72:7.10 2. Royalties. The federal government encourages invention and original creations in the ten regional laboratories, assisting all types of geniuses — artists, authors, and scientists — and protecting their patents. In return the government takes one half the profits realized from all such inventions and creations, whether pertaining to machines, books, artistry, plants, or animals.
(816.2) 72:7.11 3. Inheritance tax. The federal government levies a graduated inheritance tax ranging from one to fifty per cent, depending on the size of an estate as well as on other conditions.
(816.3) 72:7.12 4. Military equipment. The government earns a considerable sum from the leasing of military and naval equipment for commercial and recreational usages.
(816.4) 72:7.13 5. Natural resources. The income from natural resources, when not fully required for the specific purposes designated in the charter of federal statehood, is turned into the national treasury.
(816.5) 72:7.14 Federal appropriations, except war funds assessed by the National Council of Defense, are originated in the upper legislative house, concurred in by the lower house, approved by the chief executive, and finally validated by the federal budget commission of one hundred. The members of this commission are nominated by the state governors and elected by the state legislatures to serve for twenty-four years, one quarter being elected every six years. Every six years this body, by a three-fourths ballot, chooses one of its number as chief, and he thereby becomes director-controller of the federal treasury.
Caino
http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-72-government-neighboring-planet
7. Taxation
(815.1) 72:7.1 The federal government is paternalistic only in the administration of old-age pensions and in the fostering of genius and creative originality; the state governments are slightly more concerned with the individual citizen, while the local governments are much more paternalistic or socialistic. The city (or some subdivision thereof) concerns itself with such matters as health, sanitation, building regulations, beautification, water supply, lighting, heating, recreation, music, and communication.
(815.2) 72:7.2 In all industry first attention is paid to health; certain phases of physical well-being are regarded as industrial and community prerogatives, but individual and family health problems are matters of personal concern only. In medicine, as in all other purely personal matters, it is increasingly the plan of government to refrain from interfering.
(815.3) 72:7.3 Cities have no taxing power, neither can they go in debt. They receive per capita allowances from the state treasury and must supplement such revenue from the earnings of their socialistic enterprises and by licensing various commercial activities.
(815.4) 72:7.4 The rapid-transit facilities, which make it practical greatly to extend the city boundaries, are under municipal control. The city fire departments are supported by the fire-prevention and insurance foundations, and all buildings, in city or country, are fireproof — have been for over seventy-five years.
(815.5) 72:7.5 There are no municipally appointed peace officers; the police forces are maintained by the state governments. This department is recruited almost entirely from the unmarried men between twenty-five and fifty. Most of the states assess a rather heavy bachelor tax, which is remitted to all men joining the state police. In the average state the police force is now only one tenth as large as it was fifty years ago.
(815.6) 72:7.6 There is little or no uniformity among the taxation schemes of the one hundred comparatively free and sovereign states as economic and other conditions vary greatly in different sections of the continent. Every state has ten basic constitutional provisions which cannot be modified except by consent of the federal supreme court, and one of these articles prevents levying a tax of more than one per cent on the value of any property in any one year, homesites, whether in city or country, being exempted.
(815.7) 72:7.7 The federal government cannot go in debt, and a three-fourths referendum is required before any state can borrow except for purposes of war. Since the federal government cannot incur debt, in the event of war the National Council of Defense is empowered to assess the states for money, as well as for men and materials, as it may be required. But no debt may run for more than twenty-five years.
(815.8) 72:7.8 Income to support the federal government is derived from the following five sources:
(815.9) 72:7.9 1. Import duties. All imports are subject to a tariff designed to protect the standard of living on this continent, which is far above that of any other nation on the planet. These tariffs are set by the highest industrial court after both houses of the industrial congress have ratified the recommendations of the chief executive of economic affairs, who is the joint appointee of these two legislative bodies. The upper industrial house is elected by labor, the lower by capital.
(816.1) 72:7.10 2. Royalties. The federal government encourages invention and original creations in the ten regional laboratories, assisting all types of geniuses — artists, authors, and scientists — and protecting their patents. In return the government takes one half the profits realized from all such inventions and creations, whether pertaining to machines, books, artistry, plants, or animals.
(816.2) 72:7.11 3. Inheritance tax. The federal government levies a graduated inheritance tax ranging from one to fifty per cent, depending on the size of an estate as well as on other conditions.
(816.3) 72:7.12 4. Military equipment. The government earns a considerable sum from the leasing of military and naval equipment for commercial and recreational usages.
(816.4) 72:7.13 5. Natural resources. The income from natural resources, when not fully required for the specific purposes designated in the charter of federal statehood, is turned into the national treasury.
(816.5) 72:7.14 Federal appropriations, except war funds assessed by the National Council of Defense, are originated in the upper legislative house, concurred in by the lower house, approved by the chief executive, and finally validated by the federal budget commission of one hundred. The members of this commission are nominated by the state governors and elected by the state legislatures to serve for twenty-four years, one quarter being elected every six years. Every six years this body, by a three-fourths ballot, chooses one of its number as chief, and he thereby becomes director-controller of the federal treasury.
Caino
Charity
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They Passed the bill Caino!
They Passed the bill Caino!
Government wants us to leave our estate to charity, "To Them", Not when you Die, But before you can enjoy it. certainly worth the vote for those that can inherit estate.
Charity should be, when you get given a Job! insurance, that all have equal opportunity.
They Passed the bill Caino!
Government wants us to leave our estate to charity, "To Them", Not when you Die, But before you can enjoy it. certainly worth the vote for those that can inherit estate.
Charity should be, when you get given a Job! insurance, that all have equal opportunity.
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Where did Adam and Eve come from?
Where did Adam and Eve come from?
The Urantia Book
51:0.1 DURING THE DISPENSATION of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them—the Material Son and Daughter—are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order.
51:0.2 These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger.
51:0.3 Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss........
Where did Adam and Eve come from?
The Urantia Book
THE PLANETARY ADAMS
51:0.1 DURING THE DISPENSATION of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them—the Material Son and Daughter—are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order.
51:0.2 These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger.
51:0.3 Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss........
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Caino
(1107.1) 101:2.11 The contemplation of nature does logically point in the direction of intelligent guidance, even living supervision, but it does not in any satisfactory manner reveal a personal God. On the other hand, nature discloses nothing which would preclude the universe from being looked upon as the handiwork of the God of religion. God cannot be found through nature alone, but man having otherwise found him, the study of nature becomes wholly consistent with a higher and more spiritual interpretation of the universe.
(1107.2) 101:2.12 Revelation as an epochal phenomenon is periodic; as a personal human experience it is continuous. Divinity functions in mortal personality as the Adjuster gift of the Father, as the Spirit of Truth of the Son, and as the Holy Spirit of the Universe Spirit, while these three supermortal endowments are unified in human experiential evolution as the ministry of the Supreme.
(1107.2) 101:2.12 Revelation as an epochal phenomenon is periodic; as a personal human experience it is continuous. Divinity functions in mortal personality as the Adjuster gift of the Father, as the Spirit of Truth of the Son, and as the Holy Spirit of the Universe Spirit, while these three supermortal endowments are unified in human experiential evolution as the ministry of the Supreme.
Caino
The Atheist Meme
The Atheist Meme
Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
2. The universe government of the Creator Son—Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days—"foreign potentates"—to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
More:
http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1300#U53_3_0
Caino
The Atheist Meme
Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
2. The universe government of the Creator Son—Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days—"foreign potentates"—to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
More:
http://www.truthbook.com/index.cfm?linkID=1300#U53_3_0
Caino
One of the evils of the church is that it usurps authority and enforces man made doctrines which keep people in ignorance and fear.
The church has long used the false idea of bible perfection to control it's followers even when the bible has so many obvious flaws and contradictions. When those flaws are pointed out the "conspiracy theorist" double down and dig in even deeper into belief in a false history and false reality.
This is all related to Lucifer’s rebellion.
Caino
The church has long used the false idea of bible perfection to control it's followers even when the bible has so many obvious flaws and contradictions. When those flaws are pointed out the "conspiracy theorist" double down and dig in even deeper into belief in a false history and false reality.
This is all related to Lucifer’s rebellion.
Caino
Aimiel
Well-known member
Not one single point-of-fact stated in The Bible has EVER been disproven, historically. That's not only good; but actually is the ONLY historic record that has such fidelity. It is our ONLY source of the history of much of antiquity, but is also the most reliable work there will ever be written. It actually IS God's Holy Word and Jesus attested to that fact. Contradictions are merely invented by those who don't trust anyone or anything even loosely related to God.
Charity
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Look HoW!.... Its very very Hard To HAVE a conversation with GOD!, aN, Oh! hOw very very Easy iT iS To Gossip about hIm!
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