The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

Sorry, but I've seen God use Satan. It's hilarious when He does, too:

At the PromiseKeepers rally in Washington D.C. in October of 1997 we were walking to the mall at about 6:00 AM from the subway station and noticed a booth on the side of the road. It was run by the National Organization of Women (N.O.W.) and they had printed huge banners to hang on the booth, with quotes from 'insane' TV preachers (their description) and every single one of them was a verbatim quotation of Holy Scripture. Every man that walked by would read the signs and then notice the fact that God was using them to promote His Word and start laughing out loud. God allowed Satan to attack Job and Job said that it was God afflicting him, when in point-of-fact it was the devil. God didn't get mad. He just asked Job questions he couldn't possibly answer. Believe me, when God confronts you, you don't want to be the one making fun of His Holy Word and be found to be His enemy. :nono:

Well that's a nice story, a valiant effort, it's consistent with your belief Satan is the God of this world and somehow another God uses him to trick people into disobeying his, the second Gods, word.:freak: But the truth is, the author of Samuel wrote in a time when God was thought to be behind both Good and evil. The author of Chronicles represents an evolution in the understanding between a righteous God and the consequence of the rebellion of the evil ones. I see you are of the former way of thinking.



Caino

 

[Aimiel]

Well that's a nice story, a valiant effort, it's consistent with your belief Satan is the God of this world and somehow another God uses him to trick people into disobeying his, the second Gods, word.:freak: But the truth is, the author of Samuel wrote in a time when God was thought to be behind both Good and evil. The author of Chronicles represents an evolution in the understanding between a righteous God and the consequence of the rebellion of the evil ones. I see you are of the former way of thinking.

Actually what you've presumed is far more of a myth than what I've explained from Scripture. The oldest known book in The Holy Bible is actually Job, which clearly shows where the source of evil really is: Satan. If you don't believe The Holy Bible you're liable to swallow anything and quite understandably you HAVE. You're following a myth, described by a demon to someone whom he possessed and you're bound for hell, except you repent.

 

[Caino]

Actually what you've presumed is far more of a myth than what I've explained from Scripture. The oldest known book in The Holy Bible is actually Job, which clearly shows where the source of evil really is: Satan. If you don't believe The Holy Bible you're liable to swallow anything and quite understandably you HAVE. You're following a myth, described by a demon to someone whom he possessed and you're bound for hell, except you repent.

If God is using Satan to do evil then It's God. Do you need for me to color you a picture of that? :dunce:

Job is parabolic, not literal.


Caino

 

[Aimiel]

If God is using Satan to do evil then It's God.

Obviously you need to brush up on your reading skills. God uses Satan to do His Will. God doesn't do evil. Satan does. He told Satan to do what he would, but save Job's life. He didn't tell him to do evil. God doesn't lend to evil. He allows it, but all things work together for good... for those who are called by Him; and that good happens according to His Purposes, not ours.

Job is parabolic, not literal.

I don't believe it is. I believe it's an account of his struggles and God's Word doesn't lie. I'm sorry you can't see the Truth, which seems to be slapping you in the face every single day.

 

[Caino]

Obviously you need to brush up on your reading skills. God uses Satan to do His Will. God doesn't do evil. Satan does. He told Satan to do what he would, but save Job's life. He didn't tell him to do evil. God doesn't lend to evil. He allows it, but all things work together for good... for those who are called by Him; and that good happens according to His Purposes, not ours.I don't believe it is. I believe it's an account of his struggles and God's Word doesn't lie. I'm sorry you can't see the Truth, which seems to be slapping you in the face every single day.

"God uses Satan to do His Will. God doesn't do evil. Satan does."


To actually hear someone say that, and believe it, is just incredible!




Caino

 

[freelight]

being open to new discoveries......

being open to new discoveries......

You should also get a clue that I'm not buying into your halloween theology. The lake of fire is a sick joke, never taught by Jesus.

Caino

Jesus used an illustration of 'gehenna' in speaking of a place of desolation, refuse, waste,.....but it was equated with later ideas of an 'eternal' lake of fire, envisioned in John's revelation, later imposed with notions of eternal suffering/torment, etc....but we've covered this on other threads. Here

The wonderful insight, complexity and universality of the Urantia Papers is a tribute in itself, and interesting to explore, since it touches origins, Deity, the universe, and the soul-destiny of man. As far as discovering truth...."nothing ventured, nothing gained". As Jesus taught, one must continue to ask, seek and knock. Life is an ever engaging enterprise.


pj

 

[freelight]

apologetics.............

apologetics.............

~*~*~

Aimiel shared this link earlier - coming from a tradition/fundamentalist christian apologetic site, the general tone against anything 'Urantian' is expected, however this site takes things to an even more extreme polemic. The UB is demonized thru and thru. - their problem is essentially only 'doctrinal' in nature when you get down to the bare-bones of things, for anything that does not agree with their narrow so called 'biblical' view of things is of the devil. Its basically your revelations are 'false' and 'demonic' because it is different from or challenges our interpretation or 'belief' in what is 'true' or 'biblical'.

http://withchrist.org/urantia.htm

It stands to reason that the ethics, morals, values and meanings contained in the Urantia Papers are much more advanced and expounded on from a greater cosmic all-inclusive perspective than what more primitive records could have shared, hence the emergence of the revelations to man at that time (early 1900's)

As shared before, even if one wants to view the UB as 'religious fiction' ...its own treasury of insights, knowledge and wisdom speaks for itself, within its own context of universal significance and application. Nitpicking over origins or doctrinal points does not negate or disqualify the inherent values and meanings the Papers re-present and exquisitely articulate.


pj

 

[Aimiel]

"God uses Satan to do His Will. God doesn't do evil. Satan does."


To actually hear someone say that, and believe it, is just incredible!

Why thank you. Coming from you, with your mixed up thinking, I'd say that's rather high praise. :thumb:

Seriously though, I'd say that were He to merely leave Satan to his own devices, he'd screw things up on his own and this earth would have long ago fallen into global thermonuclear war and complete nuclear winter. God makes use of Satan, by giving him permission to bring what he will in someone's life. The Book of Job describes the very conversation between God and Satan which proves this. Job grew in grace and knowledge about The Lord and had twice the things he had earlier; due to Satan's devices. Yes, it was hard to take, but God allows evil to take place, even though He never commits any Himself. You're simply not grasping the fact that He gave this entire planet into the charge of Adam and we've just been screwing it up almost as bad as the devil himself ever since. Obviously you haven't spent much time reading The Bible or seeking It's Author. You are quick to judge God, but not very understanding of His Power or Authority. If there were no evil, His Light wouldn't be appreciated as much as we do. Those who are forgiven much: love much.

 

[Aimiel]

Aimiel shared this link earlier - coming from a tradition/fundamentalist christian apologetic site, the general tone against anything 'Urantian' is expected, however this site takes things to an even more extreme polemic. The UB is demonized thru and thru.

Yes, the UB is demonic in origin... :duh:

- ...their problem is essentially only 'doctrinal' in nature when you get down to the bare-bones of things, for anything that does not agree with their narrow so called 'biblical' view of things is of the devil.

It isn't 'view' that is a problem, but a 'replacement theology' which the site expounded upon, quite well, actually.

Its basically your revelations are 'false' and 'demonic' because it is different from or challenges our interpretation or 'belief' in what is 'true' or 'biblical'.

Yes, it is an 'other' gospel, and so it is and shall remain: accursed.

As shared before, even if one wants to view the UB as 'religious fiction' ...its own treasury of insights, knowledge and wisdom speaks for itself, within its own context of universal significance and application.

It speaks quite enough for itself, merely by being demonic in origin... having been dictated by a demon through someone who was possessed.

Nitpicking over origins or doctrinal points does not negate or disqualify the inherent values and meanings the Papers re-present and exquisitely articulate.

Actually, it does. You have to realize that because the entire work of the Urantia papers (all of them) come from demonic sources, it is doctrines of demons, and the results will be destruction, no matter how good your intentions might be when gleaning ANYTHING from it. You can't get good fruit from a bad tree. :nono:

 

[Caino]

Why thank you. Coming from you, with your mixed up thinking, I'd say that's rather high praise. :thumb:

Seriously though, I'd say that were He to merely leave Satan to his own devices, he'd screw things up on his own and this earth would have long ago fallen into global thermonuclear war and complete nuclear winter. God makes use of Satan, by giving him permission to bring what he will in someone's life. The Book of Job describes the very conversation between God and Satan which proves this. Job grew in grace and knowledge about The Lord and had twice the things he had earlier; due to Satan's devices. Yes, it was hard to take, but God allows evil to take place, even though He never commits any Himself. You're simply not grasping the fact that He gave this entire planet into the charge of Adam and we've just been screwing it up almost as bad as the devil himself ever since. Obviously you haven't spent much time reading The Bible or seeking It's Author. You are quick to judge God, but not very understanding of His Power or Authority. If there were no evil, His Light wouldn't be appreciated as much as we do. Those who are forgiven much: love much.

The Hebrew's didn't know any better when they converted secular history into miraculous history. They had no science, they didn't know the earth was billions of years old, that life evolved, that Adam and Eve were incarnate on a populated world.

But every time the Bible has been edited, they left tell tale sign's in it of more ancient history.

Man wrote the Bible and made it "sacred" so shaman's could control the members of the sect. Enlightened people can see that it was written for a more child like mind of another age.

To call the Bible Gods word is an insult to God, but he has no lake of fire to dip you in, just amazing love and patience for the day when you grow up and realize that the ghost and goblins don't exist, that Satan never was as powerful as you think, that Jesus defeated Satan in truth and proved your fears of Satan to be foolish.


Caino

 

[bucksplasher]

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THE SECOND DISCOURSE ON RELIGION ​

155:6.1 And so, while they paused in the shade of the hillside, Jesus continued to teach them regarding the religion of the spirit, in substance saying:

155:6.2 You have come out from among those of your fellows who choose to remain satisfied with a religion of mind, who crave security and prefer conformity. You have elected to exchange your feelings of authoritative certainty for the assurances of the spirit of adventurous and progressive faith. You have dared to protest against the grueling bondage of institutional religion and to reject the authority of the traditions of record which are now regarded as the word of God. Our Father did indeed speak through Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, Amos, and Hosea, but he did not cease to minister words of truth to the world when these prophets of old made an end of their utterances. My Father is no respecter of races or generations in that the word of truth is vouchsafed one age and withheld from another. Commit not the folly of calling that divine which is wholly human, and fail not to discern the words of truth which come not through the traditional oracles of supposed inspiration.

155:6.3 I have called upon you to be born again, to be born of the spirit. I have called you out of the darkness of authority and the lethargy of tradition into the transcendent light of the realization of the possibility of making for yourselves the greatest discovery possible for the human soul to make—the supernal experience of finding God for yourself, in yourself, and of yourself, and of doing all this as a fact in your own personal experience. And so may you pass from death to life, from the authority of tradition to the experience of knowing God; thus will you pass from darkness to light, from a racial faith inherited to a personal faith achieved by actual experience; and thereby will you progress from a theology of mind handed down by your ancestors to a true religion of spirit which shall be built up in your souls as an eternal endowment.

155:6.4 Your religion shall change from the mere intellectual belief in traditional authority to the actual experience of that living faith which is able to grasp the reality of God and all that relates to the divine spirit of the Father. The religion of the mind ties you hopelessly to the past; the religion of the spirit consists in progressive revelation and ever beckons you on toward higher and holier achievements in spiritual ideals and eternal realities.

155:6.5 While the religion of authority may impart a present feeling of settled security, you pay for such a transient satisfaction the price of the loss of your spiritual freedom and religious liberty. My Father does not require of you as the price of entering the kingdom of heaven that you should force yourself to subscribe to a belief in things which are spiritually repugnant, unholy, and untruthful. It is not required of you that your own sense of mercy, justice, and truth should be outraged by submission to an outworn system of religious forms and ceremonies. The religion of the spirit leaves you forever free to follow the truth wherever the leadings of the spirit may take you. And who can judge—perhaps this spirit may have something to impart to this generation which other generations have refused to hear?

155:6.6 Shame on those false religious teachers who would drag hungry souls back into the dim and distant past and there leave them! And so are these unfortunate persons doomed to become frightened by every new discovery, while they are discomfited by every new revelation of truth. The prophet who said, "He will be kept in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on God," was not a mere intellectual believer in authoritative theology. This truth-knowing human had discovered God; he was not merely talking about God.

155:6.7 I admonish you to give up the practice of always quoting the prophets of old and praising the heroes of Israel, and instead aspire to become living prophets of the Most High and spiritual heroes of the coming kingdom. To honor the God-knowing leaders of the past may indeed be worth while, but why, in so doing, should you sacrifice the supreme experience of human existence: finding God for yourselves and knowing him in your own souls?

155:6.8 Every race of mankind has its own mental outlook upon human existence; therefore must the religion of the mind ever run true to these various racial viewpoints. Never can the religions of authority come to unification. Human unity and mortal brotherhood can be achieved only by and through the superendowment of the religion of the spirit. Racial minds may differ, but all mankind is indwelt by the same divine and eternal spirit. The hope of human brotherhood can only be realized when, and as, the divergent mind religions of authority become impregnated with, and overshadowed by, the unifying and ennobling religion of the spirit—the religion of personal spiritual experience.

155:6.9 The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience—uniformity of destiny—making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.

155:6.10 But watch, lest any of you look with disdain upon the children of Abraham because they have fallen on these evil days of traditional barrenness. Our forefathers gave themselves up to the persistent and passionate search for God, and they found him as no other whole race of men have ever known him since the times of Adam, who knew much of this as he was himself a Son of God. My Father has not failed to mark the long and untiring struggle of Israel, ever since the days of Moses, to find God and to know God. For weary generations the Jews have not ceased to toil, sweat, groan, travail, and endure the sufferings and experience the sorrows of a misunderstood and despised people, all in order that they might come a little nearer the discovery of the truth about God. And, notwithstanding all the failures and falterings of Israel, our fathers progressively, from Moses to the times of Amos and Hosea, did reveal increasingly to the whole world an ever clearer and more truthful picture of the eternal God. And so was the way prepared for the still greater revelation of the Father which you have been called to share.

155:6.11 Never forget there is only one adventure which is more satisfying and thrilling than the attempt to discover the will of the living God, and that is the supreme experience of honestly trying to do that divine will. And fail not to remember that the will of God can be done in any earthly occupation. Some callings are not holy and others secular. All things are sacred in the lives of those who are spirit led; that is, subordinated to truth, ennobled by love, dominated by mercy, and restrained by fairness— justice. The spirit which my Father and I shall send into the world is not only the Spirit of Truth but also the spirit of idealistic beauty.

155:6.12 You must cease to seek for the word of God only on the pages of the olden records of theologic authority. Those who are born of the spirit of God shall henceforth discern the word of God regardless of whence it appears to take origin. Divine truth must not be discounted because the channel of its bestowal is apparently human. Many of your brethren have minds which accept the theory of God while they spiritually fail to realize the presence of God. And that is just the reason why I have so often taught you that the kingdom of heaven can best be realized by acquiring the spiritual attitude of a sincere child. It is not the mental immaturity of the child that I commend to you but rather the spiritual simplicity of such an easy-believing and fully-trusting little one. It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God.

155:6.13 When you once begin to find God in your soul, presently you will begin to discover him in other men's souls and eventually in all the creatures and creations of a mighty universe. But what chance does the Father have to appear as a God of supreme loyalties and divine ideals in the souls of men who give little or no time to the thoughtful contemplation of such eternal realities? While the mind is not the seat of the spiritual nature, it is indeed the gateway thereto.

155:6.14 But do not make the mistake of trying to prove to other men that you have found God; you cannot consciously produce such valid proof, albeit there are two positive and powerful demonstrations of the fact that you are God-knowing, and they are:
155:6.15 1. The fruits of the spirit of God showing forth in your daily routine life.
155:6.16 2. The fact that your entire life plan furnishes positive proof that you have unreservedly risked everything you are and have on the adventure of survival after death in the pursuit of the hope of finding the God of eternity, whose presence you have foretasted in time.

155:6.17 Now, mistake not, my Father will ever respond to the faintest flicker of faith. He takes note of the physical and superstitious emotions of the primitive man. And with those honest but fearful souls whose faith is so weak that it amounts to little more than an intellectual conformity to a passive attitude of assent to religions of authority, the Father is ever alert to honor and foster even all such feeble attempts to reach out for him. But you who have been called out of darkness into the light are expected to believe with a whole heart; your faith shall dominate the combined attitudes of body, mind, and spirit.

155:6.18 You are my apostles, and to you religion shall not become a theologic shelter to which you may flee in fear of facing the rugged realities of spiritual progress and idealistic adventure; but rather shall your religion become the fact of real experience which testifies that God has found you, idealized, ennobled, and spiritualized you, and that you have enlisted in the eternal adventure of finding the God who has thus found and sonshipped you.




Caino

we to believe that these are actual words of Christ?

tWINs

 

[Aimiel]

The Hebrew's didn't know any better when they converted secular history into miraculous history. They had no science, they didn't know the earth was billions of years old, that life evolved, that Adam and Eve were incarnate on a populated world. But every time the Bible has been edited, they left tell tale sign's in it of more ancient history. Man wrote the Bible and made it "sacred" so shaman's could control the members of the sect. Enlightened people can see that it was written for a more child like mind of another age.

The Bible was written so that a child could understand it, yet has greater wisdom than anything that will ever be written. God wants all who will submit to Him like a child to be able to enter His Kingdom and yet is capable of writing His Word so that the wisest man who tries to out-think Him finds his way blocked at every path should he try to sneak into That Kingdom.

To call the Bible Gods word is an insult to God, but he has no lake of fire to dip you in, just amazing love and patience for the day when you grow up and realize that the ghost and goblins don't exist, that Satan never was as powerful as you think, that Jesus defeated Satan in truth and proved your fears of Satan to be foolish.

The Holy Bible is obviously God's Word and men have been trying to tear it down since It was published, but fail miserably every time. It's the world's most reliable source of the history of antiquity, and has yet to have a single historic, scientific or spiritual fact stated in it disproved. That's pretty incredible alone and yet the prophetic signs pointing to Jesus and the fulfillment of what He did bring men into relationship with God every single day. It has the ONLY roadmap to eternal life, and yet is a threat ONLY to phony man-made religions or other demonic doctrines. If you don't believe God's Word, you're liable to swallow anything, as you've proven steadfastly, with just about every single post.

 

[Caino]

we to believe that these are actual words of Christ?

tWINs

Hello friend

What does your heart tell you when you read those words? Not the mind, your heart?


I can tell you what the UB says about where these these words come from:


*The Life and Teachings of Jesus

"This group of papers was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia Midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek Revelatory Director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary Midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew."



Caino

 

[Aimiel]

What does your heart tell you when you read those words?

When I read them, I feel dirty and want to puke. My heart tells me that's a natural reaction to the presence of demons.

 

[Caino]

The Bible was written so that a child could understand it, yet has greater wisdom than anything that will ever be written. God wants all who will submit to Him like a child to be able to enter His Kingdom and yet is capable of writing His Word so that the wisest man who tries to out-think Him finds his way blocked at every path should he try to sneak into That Kingdom. The Holy Bible is obviously God's Word and men have been trying to tear it down since It was published, but fail miserably every time. It's the world's most reliable source of the history of antiquity, and has yet to have a single historic, scientific or spiritual fact stated in it disproved. That's pretty incredible alone and yet the prophetic signs pointing to Jesus and the fulfillment of what He did bring men into relationship with God every single day. It has the ONLY roadmap to eternal life, and yet is a threat ONLY to phony man-made religions or other demonic doctrines. If you don't believe God's Word, you're liable to swallow anything, as you've proven steadfastly, with just about every single post.

The Bible was written by men and contains many factual errors. The pride of Bible worshipers leads them to be self deceived. Making the Bible Gods written word is idolatrous.


Caino

 

[Caino]

When I read them, I feel dirty and want to puke. My heart tells me that's a natural reaction to the presence of demons.

Then you should avoid it like the Jews avoid Jesus.


Caino

 

[Aimiel]

The Bible was written by men and contains many factual errors. The pride of Bible worshipers leads them to be self deceived. Making the Bible Gods written word is idolatrous.

Where do you find errors in God's Word? I have yet to find any, and I've been studying The Bible for 43 years now (since I was twelve). The Bible is the only book of Holy Scriptures that we have. All others are merely counterfeits.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Men didn't bring The Word of God about... God used men to do so...

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[Caino]

Where do you find errors in God's Word? I have yet to find any, and I've been studying The Bible for 43 years now (since I was twelve). The Bible is the only book of Holy Scriptures that we have. All others are merely counterfeits.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Men didn't bring The Word of God about... God used men to do so...

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death"
2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..."
1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..."
2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."

2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem"
Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"

1 Samuel 31:4-6 says "...Saul took a sword and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead and...died with him. So Saul died..."
2 Samuel 21:12 says "...the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa."

Gen 2:17 says "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eastest thereof thou shalt surely die [note: it doesn't say 'spiritual' death]
Gen 5:5 says "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Matt 1:16 says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus..."
Luke 3:23 says "And Jesus...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli"

James 1:13 says "..for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
Gen 22:1 says "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..."

Gen 6:20 says "Of fowls after their kind and of cattle [etc.]...two of every sort shall come unto thee..."
Gen 7:2,3 says "Of every clean beast thou shall take to thee by sevens...Of fowls also of the air by sevens..."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Gen 32:30 states "...for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time..."


Factual Errors

1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."

Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." Fowl do not go upon all four.
Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..." Hare do not chew the cud.

Deut 14:7: " "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof." For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the "hoof."

Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..." whales and fish are not related


Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree." There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.

Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.

The earth is not young

Noahs ark was made up by the Hebrew priest because they could not trace their blood lines back to Adam.



Caino

 

[freelight]

the gift of language......

the gift of language......

we to believe that these are actual words of Christ?

tWINs

Such are a paraphrase (explanatory discourse),....and their truth or authority lies in their own dictation (in more modern day venacular).

Do you find anything in it that would seem unbefitting of Jesus or adversarial to true religious experience?


pj

 

[Aimiel]

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death"
2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..."
1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..."
2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."

2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem"
Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"

1 Samuel 31:4-6 says "...Saul took a sword and fell upon it. And when his armourbearer saw that Saul was dead and...died with him. So Saul died..."
2 Samuel 21:12 says "...the Philistines had slain Saul in Gilboa."

Gen 2:17 says "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eastest thereof thou shalt surely die [note: it doesn't say 'spiritual' death]
Gen 5:5 says "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Matt 1:16 says, "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus..."
Luke 3:23 says "And Jesus...the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli"

James 1:13 says "..for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
Gen 22:1 says "And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham..."

Gen 6:20 says "Of fowls after their kind and of cattle [etc.]...two of every sort shall come unto thee..."
Gen 7:2,3 says "Of every clean beast thou shall take to thee by sevens...Of fowls also of the air by sevens..."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Gen 32:30 states "...for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
John 1:18 states, "No man hath seen God at any time..."


Factual Errors

1 Kings 7:23 "He made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." Circumference = Pi() x Diameter, which means the line would have to have been over 31 cubits. In order for this to be rounding, it would have had to overstate the amount to ensure that the line did "compass it round about."

Lev 11:20-21: "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." Fowl do not go upon all four.
Lev 11:6: "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud..." Hare do not chew the cud.

Deut 14:7: " "...as the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof." For the hare this is wrong on both counts: Hare don’t chew the cud and they do divide the "hoof."

Jonah 1:17 says, "...Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights" Matt 12:40 says "...Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly..." whales and fish are not related


Matt 13:31-32: " "the kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed which…is the least of all seeds, but when it is grown is the greatest among herbs and becometh a tree." There are 2 significant errors here: first, there are many smaller seeds, like the orchid seed; and second, mustard plants don't grow into trees.

Matt 4:8: " Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them." Unless the world is flat, altitude simply will not help you see all the kingdoms of the earth.

The earth is not young

Noahs ark was made up by the Hebrew priest because they could not trace their blood lines back to Adam.

When you plagiarize someone else's research without giving credit to the original author, I tend to ignore your slothful response with one of my own.

http://prince.org/msg/105/186125?&pg=11

I also do sarcasm rather well, it's just one more way I try to please those who like jokes.