The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[Caino]

Does it not also say; "Never eat on an empty stomach, without
first having a large portion of food?"

The UB dosn't talk about how to eat but it does talk about hate filled people like you:

"(Jesus then directed his remarks to all present. He said: “But hearken to me, all of you. It is not that which enters into the mouth that spiritually defiles the man, but rather that which proceeds out of the mouth and from the heart.” But even the apostles failed fully to grasp the meaning of his words, for Simon Peter also asked him: “Lest some of your hearers be unnecessarily offended, would you explain to us the meaning of these words?” And then said Jesus to Peter: “Are you also hard of understanding? Know you not that every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up? Turn now your attention to those who would know the truth. You cannot compel men to love the truth. Many of these teachers are blind guides. And you know that, if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the pit. But hearken while I tell you the truth concerning those things which morally defile and spiritually contaminate men. I declare it is not that which enters the body by the mouth or gains access to the mind through the eyes and ears, that defiles the man. Man is only defiled by that evil which may originate within the heart, and which finds expression in the words and deeds of such unholy persons. Do you not know it is from the heart that there come forth evil thoughts, wicked projects of murder, theft, and adulteries, together with jealousy, pride, anger, revenge, railings, and false witness? And it is just such things that defile men, and not that they eat bread with ceremonially unclean hands.”*

 

[Aimiel]

The UB is a direct attack upon Christianity and The Holy Bible and isn't an augmentation or enhancement of them. Without The Blood of Christ there is no Christianity.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The UB is a direct attack upon Christianity and The Holy Bible and isn't an augmentation or enhancement of them. Without The Blood of Christ there is no Christianity.

Caino doesn't understand Spiritual matters!

 

[Caino]

The UB is a direct attack upon Christianity and The Holy Bible and isn't an augmentation or enhancement of them. Without The Blood of Christ there is no Christianity.

Christianity has done enough damage to itself; it's not the religion of Jesus but a shadow of the original and at this point it cannot be fixed. Christianity evolved after Jesus left, it's primarily a Pagan interpretation and remix of the original gospel, It's dyeing quite on its own.

* Forgiveness and salvation by faith was already available before the murder of Jesus.

* Jesus spoke of the cross as a terrible mistake on the part of the Jews.

* On the cross Jesus asked his forgiving Father to forgive those who were crucifying him not praise them as if it pleased the father as some sick sacrifice.

 

[Caino]

The pre-cross gospel and the post-ascension gospel.


Matthew 4:23

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."



"By this gospel you are saved...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time..."

- 1 Cor. 15:2-6

 

[Zeke]

Again, we have a sound, logical, reasonable observation and proposition concerning a spiritual renewal of authentic 'Christianity', which the entirety of the papers, especially Part 4 on the life and teachings of Jesus clearly presents and encourages, with every human and divine resource at hand to bring into being. A clear demonstration of souls living the religious of Jesus is the most direct way of being a kingdom-server, who is living out the divine will, and being 'perfect' as the Father is perfect,...in their loving (remember the context of Matt. 5:38 - 48....is about being 'perfect' by demonstrating the love of God).

Can any serious lover of God deny this logic and path of serving,...which is clearly the will of God? Didn't Jesus say men would recognize that you were his disciples, by the love you showed amongst each other? Again....see the distinction between the religion of Jesus, and merely an intellectualized/theorized religion about Jesus, which is what a lot of modern evangelical pop-Christianity has become, more or less. Would you rather live the religion of Jesus, or just put your 'faith' in a 'story' or 'theological concept' about Jesus? What would Jesus have you do? - one must consider the total message and gospel of Jesus, in a new and fresh way.

In this context,...the papers are clear. On this basis, the message and emphasis can be evaluated and judged for its meaning and value.



pj

I would rather live my own religion, the need for a savior is a universal concept, and prison, that makes slaves out of those born under the matrix name game! try not using it and see the ball and chain your actually living with.

 

[Caino]

I would rather live my own religion, the need for a savior is a universal concept, and prison, that makes slaves out of those born under the matrix name game! try not using it and see the ball and chain your actually living with.

Jesus actually said as much, it's only if one was "lost" but then found God through another that they would use the term "savior."

Jesus was a savior to those who were lost or separated from God, but for those already searching for God Jesus was more of an illuminator, a reveler of God.

 

[freelight]

I would rather live my own religion, the need for a savior is a universal concept, and prison, that makes slaves out of those born under the matrix name game! try not using it and see the ball and chain your actually living with.

Indeed,.....living one's own religion is 'natural', as its led and guided by Spirit, for such is the way of life. The Spirit itself is life; wherever the Spirit of God is (abides)....there is liberty.




pj

 

[Zeke]

Jesus actually said as much, it's only if one was "lost" but then found God through another that they would use the term "savior."

Jesus was a savior to those who were lost or separated from God, but for those already searching for God Jesus was more of an illuminator, a reveler of God.

And that illuminator is within us, the actual life force attributed to Jesus was around long before the allegory of that life manifested with that name.

It's is not seen by the naked, or those that perceive they are.

 

[Zeke]

Indeed,.....living one's own religion is 'natural', as its led and guided by Spirit, for such is the way of life. The Spirit itself is life; wherever the Spirit of God is (abides)....there is liberty.




pj

The liberty is the leaven indeed that drives out the fear porn industry of mans religions, and theologies.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

And that illuminator is within us, the actual life force attributed to Jesus was around long before the allegory of that life manifested with that name.

It's is not seen by the naked, or those that perceive they are.

Does one perceive themselves to be naked, if they are
wearing a three piece suit with a vest, and a pair of
very expensive shoes?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The liberty is the leaven indeed that drives out the fear porn industry of mans religions, and theologies.

The liberty must needs be, counter any reliance on
superficial stimuli! It would be advantages for the subordinate
personality of unique individuals, not pertaining to any
particular issue regarding a self-analysis, to exercise their full
potential in exploring the furthest reaches of their individual
consciousness!

 

[Aimiel]

Christianity has done enough damage to itself; it's not the religion of Jesus but a shadow of the original and at this point it cannot be fixed. Christianity evolved after Jesus left, it's primarily a Pagan interpretation and remix of the original gospel, It's dyeing quite on its own.

* Forgiveness and salvation by faith was already available before the murder of Jesus.

* Jesus spoke of the cross as a terrible mistake on the part of the Jews.

* On the cross Jesus asked his forgiving Father to forgive those who were crucifying him not praise them as if it pleased the father as some sick sacrifice.

You're such a horrible liar and a great witness that your father, Satan, is the true author of your false religion. :duh:

 

[freelight]

Its all an adventure of consciousness........

Its all an adventure of consciousness........

The liberty must needs be, counter any reliance on
superficial stimuli! It would be advantages for the subordinate
personality of unique individuals, not pertaining to any
particular issue regarding a self-analysis, to exercise their full
potential in exploring the furthest reaches of their individual
consciousness!

Very profound with the extended vocabulary....

I would gather you might encourage that 'full potential of exploring the furthest reaches of consciousness' within your own soul, by which you may discover that your current assumptions and preconceptions about 'God', 'truth', 'reality' may be more or less distorted by various undercurrents which fortify your 'religious ego', making it feel 'secure' and 'protected' under a false 'illusion' of 'orthodoxy'.

It just might behoove you to discover that a greater world of knowledge exists beyond your current mind's programing, knowledge-base and accepted 'belief-system'. What if your current beliefs were in fact more or less 'false' and 'delusional',....would you upon the 'revelation' of that, be willing to drop it?

The 'religious ego' is hard to let go, because it assumes it knows. That's how crafty and devious it can be. A better exercise would be to honestly consider the information, seek to understand the material better to foster dialogue, and make a creative venture of the 'discussion', so all parties can expand consciousness, and make it a fun adventure, one of exploration.





pj

 

[freelight]

Choosing life.....................

Choosing life.....................

Christianity has done enough damage to itself; it's not the religion of Jesus but a shadow of the original and at this point it cannot be fixed. Christianity evolved after Jesus left, it's primarily a Pagan interpretation and remix of the original gospel, It's dyeing quite on its own.

It is interesting however where current streams of 'progressive Christianity' may go, perhaps more towards the 'Jesusonian' path?

* Forgiveness and salvation by faith was already available before the murder of Jesus.

Indeed,....and how could it be otherwise, since God is a loving, forgiving Heavenly Father, and the dynamic of faith was typified in Abraham as an archetypal figure, showing the 'faith-principle' being even before the law of Moses. We would also note the influence and association of Melchizedek with Abraham...who as priest of God Most High...gave to him the higher teachings.

* Jesus spoke of the cross as a terrible mistake on the part of the Jews.

We would have to ask however, if it would have been different if Jesus did not die on the cross, or was it inevitable within the circumstances?

* On the cross Jesus asked his forgiving Father to forgive those who were crucifying him not praise them as if it pleased the father as some sick sacrifice.

In reflection on this,...it is interesting that Jesus is asking his Father to forgive his torturers, they being ignorant of their actions,...although this was supposed to play into the very plan of God to have his Son die as a 'blood-atonement' for the sins of the world.

In another place he asks if this cup might pass from him, but he surrendered to the higher providence, which in the long run worked out for the greatest good of all concerned. Ultimately Jesus triumphed, by his resurrection... showing that death had no power over him or over any who choose to do God's will, there being eternal life and progression beyond this mortal realm for all life-choosers.




pj

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You're such a horrible liar and a great witness that your father, Satan, is the true author of your false religion. :duh:

I don't necessarily believe these guys are liars! They are both, deceived,
and deceivers! They actually believe these "fictionalized" would be additions
to the true 'inspired' word of God! They have somehow been 'brain-washed'
into accepting a cultist type of new-age spiritualism! One that originated in the
20th century, and written by "unknown authors!"

This, 'urantia cult' is about 100 year's old, and has a very small following! It uses
a generous portion of Biblical background mixed with imaginative speculation,
theory, spiritualism, new-age philosophy, and dramatic/theatrical presentation!


The Bible is ONLY used as filler for this form of hoax! Supposedly,
these, urantia papers miraculously materialized! And, some form
of "spirit beings" have something to do with the spread of this
rather unorthodox, and contrived belief system!

If one denies the truth of Scripture then, they're open to all forms
of deceitful doctrine, and cultist influence!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Very profound with the extended vocabulary....

I would gather you might encourage that 'full potential of exploring the furthest reaches of consciousness' within your own soul, by which you may discover that your current assumptions and preconceptions about 'God', 'truth', 'reality' may be more or less distorted by various undercurrents which fortify your 'religious ego', making it feel 'secure' and 'protected' under a false 'illusion' of 'orthodoxy'.

It just might behoove you to discover that a greater world of knowledge exists beyond your current mind's programing, knowledge-base and accepted 'belief-system'. What if your current beliefs were in fact more or less 'false' and 'delusional',....would you upon the 'revelation' of that, be willing to drop it?

The 'religious ego' is hard to let go, because it assumes it knows. That's how crafty and devious it can be. A better exercise would be to honestly consider the information, seek to understand the material better to foster dialogue, and make a creative venture of the 'discussion', so all parties can expand consciousness, and make it a fun adventure, one of exploration.





pj

After one has found the truth that is in the written word
of God (Bible) why would one seek to search out an
alternate view? That, would not be logical! I realize that
some people feel the "need" to dabble in 'strange'
philosophies, metaphysics, spiritualism, seances, Ouija
boards, contacting the dead, and other-worldly beings,
and UFO encounters! Such is the way of some!

Scientology speaks of alien beings! Joseph Smith speaks
of his relationship with an angel named Moroni! There're
copious amounts of belief systems, philosophies, cults,
and religions! I have chosen to trust in the Grace of God
extended to mankind, through the written word of God!

I can't make you or anyone believe what God has offered
to those who would place their faith in Christ as their
Savior! According to the Bible, eternal damnation awaits
some who deem it necessary to reject the Son of God
and His death and resurrection!

For the sake of argument, let's say I'm wrong? What have
I got to lose? On the other hand, what if you're wrong? In
that case, you've lost your eternal soul!

 

[Caino]

You're such a horrible liar and a great witness that your father, Satan, is the true author of your false religion. :duh:

Eveything in my post where you accused me of being a liar is in the bible but you believe one of many Christian doctrines that conflict with Jesus' own words. Since you can't refute them you just get angry and reiterate your faith in Satan.

This is what I said: "
Originally Posted by Caino

* Forgiveness and salvation by faith was already available before the murder of Jesus.

* Jesus spoke of the cross as a terrible mistake on the part of the Jews.

* On the cross Jesus asked his forgiving Father to forgive those who were crucifying him not praise them as if it pleased the father as some sick sacrifice.

 

[Caino]

The pre-cross gospel and the post-ascension gospel.


Matthew 4:23

"And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people."



"By this gospel you are saved...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time..."

- 1 Cor. 15:2-6

Notice they can't defend the obvious so they become unhinged children again and go off on UFO's (which are nowhere in the Urantia revelation).

There are 2 different gospels in the NT not to mention Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah of OT Judaism.

 

[journey]

After one has found the truth that is in the written word
of God (Bible) why would one seek to search out an
alternate view? That, would not be logical! I realize that
some people feel the "need" to dabble in 'strange'
philosophies, metaphysics, spiritualism, seances, Ouija
boards, contacting the dead, and other-worldly beings,
and UFO encounters! Such is the way of some!

Scientology speaks of alien beings! Joseph Smith speaks
of his relationship with an angel named Moroni! There're
copious amounts of belief systems, philosophies, cults,
and religions! I have chosen to trust in the Grace of God
extended to mankind, through the written word of God!

I can't make you or anyone believe what God has offered
to those who would place their faith in Christ as their
Savior! According to the Bible, eternal damnation awaits
some who deem it necessary to reject the Son of God
and His death and resurrection!

For the sake of argument, let's say I'm wrong? What have
I got to lose? On the other hand, what if you're wrong? In
that case, you've lost your eternal soul!

Amen! - Good post. It's a shame that some folks have no idea what a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is like. We can tell people about it, but there is no replacement for a personal experience. This is how we KNOW and have verified the TRUTH. This is why countless millions of believers have testified over these thousands of years about the absolute reality of Jesus Christ.

Sadly, many waste their time with the urantia papers and garbage like it. They fill their head with everything but the TRUTH and have nothing to show for it. They are bowing down to false gods with a little "g".

Exodus 20:3-6 KJV
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

The day will come when you will stand before Him and answer for what you've done. The real God will not appreciate your false teaching and your attempts to deceive others.