The Land was Promised to Abraham, not Heaven
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Nanja
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Thats a Good Hope Sister
For sure my Brother !
Greetings again beloved57 and Nanja,
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Trevor
I believe that the timeline in 1 Corinthians 15 is the return of Christ (in the near future), the establishment of the Kingdom for 1000 years, the subjection and education of the nations during this period, then the end of the 1000 years when even death will be abolished. This passage is quoting and alluding to Psalm 8 which speaks of the New Creation, the Son of Man who will rule the earth, assuming the role where Adam failed. Again this is the Kingdom of God soon to be established upon the earth with Jerusalem the capital and Jesus sitting in the Temple on the Throne of David as King / Priest for the 1000 years.
I consider that the “air” and “clouds” are symbolic, but if say we were to take this literally, where do the faithful go from there? Do they then go to heaven, but they were already in heaven if you believe that immortal souls go to heaven at death. Do the faithful, after being with Jesus in the clouds for a while, return with Jesus to the earth and inherit the earth Matthew 5:3, with Jesus and Abraham Genesis 13:14-15, Galatians 3:8-9,16,26-29? Or do you anticipate being suspended at a few hundred feet above the earth in the clouds for ever, and will airplanes still be able to fly higher above the clouds and look down on you strumming your harps?
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Trevor
Greetings again clefty,
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Trevor
Yes but to be Kings we need someone to rule over, and to be Priests we need someone to teach and intercede on their behalf. Too many Chiefs, no Indians, or too many Servants and no one to minister to.
We have to be careful as to sequence, but yes, I consider Revelation 22 is after Revelation 21.
I believe that Matthew 24 is mainly about AD70, but some aspects can reflect the Second Coming. I believe that the invasion of present day Israel by the King of the North as depicted in Ezekiel 38 and Daniel 11:40-45 will be the Latter Day Abomination of Desolation. I believe that this invasion occurs while the faithful are separated and hiding from this initial part of the time of trouble, also known as the Battle of Armageddon.
I was thinking about what I had posted after I turned off my computer, and then it twigged I could have used “celty” instead of clefty. I went back in some time later but you had already taken a copy, but you did not post until after I had edited my post. You did not seem too offended, but it is interesting that we were talking about the importance of the Name of God and our Saviour. I think it is important to use the best known spelling and pronunciation for me personally, but I am not offended if someone uses LORD, and I use Jesus, but others Yeshua or similar. I try to correct any one who uses Jehovah if this is convenient. If one of our English choirs uses Jehovah as printed in the present Hymn Book I will not be offended, but we try to sing Yahweh instead of Jehovah, but how do you sing two syllables instead of three, but we manage.
Common parlance in my fellowship for Young People’s.
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Trevor
beloved57
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Yeah Christ is reigning now in His Kingdom. At His second coming there will be a manifestation of His Kingdom and of course the Final Judgment. I believe your opinion shows you are deceived.
I would like to briefly widen the subject of this thread by way of consolidation and possibly conclusion. The following appears to me to be different to what beloved57 advocates, who seems to teach that it is all about a kingdom in heaven, possibly when our immortal soul goes to heaven when we die. It is also different again from what clefty advocates, who most probably does not believe in immortal souls, but nevertheless believes in going to heaven when Jesus returns and a burnt and desolate earth for the 1000 years.
There are three main promises, or sets of promises. The Promise concerning Eve and her seed. The various Promises to Abraham and his seed, including the Land Promise. The Promises to David, mainly concerning the seed of David and the Throne of David. The Angel Gabriel spoke to Mary about the Throne of David:
Luke 1:30–33 (KJV): 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The Throne of David is not in heaven, but was situated in Jerusalem. The Throne in Heaven is God the Father’s Throne Revelation 3:21-22.
The promises to David speak concerning the Throne of David:
2 Samuel 7:12–16 (KJV): 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
At the end of his life, David looked forward to the day when these promises would be fulfilled:
2 Samuel 23:1–5 (KJV): 1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, 2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. 4 And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. 5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
The above depicts the start of the new morning, the start of the Kingdom of God upon the earth, the times of refreshing when Jesus returns Acts 3:19-21.
We are also invited to partake of this covenant, and Isaiah uses the term “the sure mercies of David”, alluding to the above passage.
Isaiah 55:1–3 (KJV): 1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. 2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. 3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
These “sure mercies of David” involve the necessity of the resurrection of Jesus to sit upon the Throne of David, and also our resurrection to share with Jesus when he inherits the Land promised to Abraham Acts 2:24-36, 13:22-39.
Kind regards
Trevor
There are three main promises, or sets of promises. The Promise concerning Eve and her seed. The various Promises to Abraham and his seed, including the Land Promise. The Promises to David, mainly concerning the seed of David and the Throne of David. The Angel Gabriel spoke to Mary about the Throne of David:
Luke 1:30–33 (KJV): 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The Throne of David is not in heaven, but was situated in Jerusalem. The Throne in Heaven is God the Father’s Throne Revelation 3:21-22.
The promises to David speak concerning the Throne of David:
2 Samuel 7:12–16 (KJV): 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
At the end of his life, David looked forward to the day when these promises would be fulfilled:
2 Samuel 23:1–5 (KJV): 1 Now these be the last words of David. David the son of Jesse said, and the man who was raised up on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, and the sweet psalmist of Israel, said, 2 The Spirit of the LORD spake by me, and his word was in my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. 4 And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain. 5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
The above depicts the start of the new morning, the start of the Kingdom of God upon the earth, the times of refreshing when Jesus returns Acts 3:19-21.
We are also invited to partake of this covenant, and Isaiah uses the term “the sure mercies of David”, alluding to the above passage.
Isaiah 55:1–3 (KJV): 1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price. 2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness. 3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.
These “sure mercies of David” involve the necessity of the resurrection of Jesus to sit upon the Throne of David, and also our resurrection to share with Jesus when he inherits the Land promised to Abraham Acts 2:24-36, 13:22-39.
Kind regards
Trevor
beloved57
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All the promises of GOD are fulfilled in Christ and His Body the Church!
Greetings again beloved57,
Could I ask if you see any significance in the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel, the formation of the Nation of Israel in 1948, the events of 1967, and the present problems in the Land regarding the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem? This is in the news again because of the peace deal between Israel and the two states, UAE and Bahrain. If the promises are all about heaven, then this possibly has no relevance to you.
For my part, I consider these events as an indication that the return of Jesus is near, when he will judge the nations, convert a significant remnant of natural Israel after the events of Ezekiel 38, Daniel 11:40-45, Zechariah 14 and Revelation 16:12-16, aka the Battle of Armageddon. The outcome after this is also depicted in Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-8.
Kind regards (and if a repetitious one line answer – Farewell)
Trevor
I am not sure why most of your posts are one line only. Perhaps because you only have an iPhone and two sentences would be difficult. Similar to what I stated in your major thread that has run for 8 years or more, I am not interested in perpetuating this thread, as we have covered most aspects, and my previous post was meant to be my last unless something additional and meaningful was raised. I do not mind you having the last word, but I do like David having the last word with the “Sure Mercies of David”, not heaven - going.
Could I ask if you see any significance in the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel, the formation of the Nation of Israel in 1948, the events of 1967, and the present problems in the Land regarding the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem? This is in the news again because of the peace deal between Israel and the two states, UAE and Bahrain. If the promises are all about heaven, then this possibly has no relevance to you.
For my part, I consider these events as an indication that the return of Jesus is near, when he will judge the nations, convert a significant remnant of natural Israel after the events of Ezekiel 38, Daniel 11:40-45, Zechariah 14 and Revelation 16:12-16, aka the Battle of Armageddon. The outcome after this is also depicted in Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-8.
Kind regards (and if a repetitious one line answer – Farewell)
Trevor
beloved57
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As I said, all the promises of God to Israel are fulfilled in Christ and His Body the Church ! Christ is presently reigning on the throne of david, ruling in the house of jacob, thats His Church ! Lk 1:33
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Nanja
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beloved57
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Praise God!
Nanja
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Indeed, and Forever my Brother!
Psalm 72 - The Coming New World Order Soon to be Established on Earth
Psalm 72 (KJV - with headings added)
A Psalm for Solomon
The King's Son
1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the kings son.
2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
The Blessings of His Reign
4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
A World-Wide Kingdom
8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
The Nations Pay Homage
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.
The Earth Bountiful
16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
The Whole World Filled with His Glory
18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.
20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.
Kind regards
Trevor
Psalm 72 (KJV - with headings added)
A Psalm for Solomon
The King's Son
1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the kings son.
2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment.
3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness.
The Blessings of His Reign
4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
A World-Wide Kingdom
8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
The Nations Pay Homage
10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.
12 For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper.
13 He shall spare the poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy.
14 He shall redeem their soul from deceit and violence: and precious shall their blood be in his sight.
15 And he shall live, and to him shall be given of the gold of Sheba: prayer also shall be made for him continually; and daily shall he be praised.
The Earth Bountiful
16 There shall be an handful of corn in the earth upon the top of the mountains; the fruit thereof shall shake like Lebanon: and they of the city shall flourish like grass of the earth.
17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations shall call him blessed.
The Whole World Filled with His Glory
18 Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.
19 And blessed be his glorious name for ever: and let the whole earth be filled with his glory; Amen, and Amen.
20 The prayers of David the son of Jesse are ended.
Kind regards
Trevor
In our temporary homes sukkoting after atONEment we will indeed be exiled royalty but doing work of the king...judging...the books...making sure the final sentencing will be JUST indeed...
was referring to when the camp of the saints is attacked after the 1000 years and the coming down of the Holy City
pray your flight be not on the Sabbath...
no rapture?
offended? Naawww...been around the innernutz awhile...builds the skin and proves the gift of longsuffering lol
all good...halleluYah...hallowed by thy Name...YAHushua came in His Father’s Name...telling that His Spirit does NOT have a name...
Much is in a name...John vs Juan reveals much...Jesus vs Yahushua or even Joshua assisted the divorce from all things Jewish...much easier to forget Jesus did NOT eat Ham Dinners after Sunday services when He was not named a Jewish name...lol...much easier sell to the Romans who were STILL annoyed by Jewish customs not lawful for Romans Acts 16:21
and then add what meanings names have as John means nothing in English but Yohanan means Yah has been gracious...
Again I say halleluYah
beloved57
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All fulfilled in Christ and His Body the Church! 2 Cor 1:20
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
Greetings again clefty,
Kind regards
Trevor
My impression is that all of the people that you are suggesting that will be judged as a result of this 1000 years of examining the books will be rejected. Sounds like a very morbid task, not a very pretty picture.
How is the Sabbath relevant to the second coming. Where will the faithful be fleeing to if all the earth is going to be scorched. Compare the Jewish Christians inside the city of Jerusalem in the lead up to AD70, who were told to flee Jerusalem at a particular signal. The gates of the city were closed on the Sabbath, and they would not be able to flee on the Sabbath. I consider Luke 21:20-24 is definitely AD 70, and should be used to understand Matthew 24.
No. The faithful will be gathered to meet Christ before the Battle of Armageddon.
Yes, but we seem to have different interests. My personal studies are in the Yahweh Name and Divine titles. I am interested in the Psalms, Isaiah and Galatians. Also many subjects and themes and individual chapters in other Bible books, depending sometimes to what is current in our Bible Class.
Kind regards
Trevor
At His coming for atONEment His reward is already with Him...those that overcame return with Him those that did not remain asleep in dust joined with those that perished at His Coming its glory overwhelming to evil ones...
The earth is left desolate Satan bound by his doings and inability to tempt anyone as he is thrown into the abyss the same as when the before the earth was created...
Nobody is living...marrying having babies...dying...wondering where so many were raptured to...or why others ever denied the One teaching them now from Jerusalem which is a logistical nightmare with the BILLIONS of people and with Moses and Abraham walking around but NO SATAN as he’s tied up with other things...LOL
I don’t know what else happens in your 1000 years here...until it ends and the Holy City comes down...
No judging of people as we are judging the the books the records of each life the angels kept and verdict to see if what they did matches their reward indeed...NOT to correct or proofread for error but to VINDICATE indeed uncle Tony who everybody thought was good actually hid a lot of evil...and that man everybody judged as evil actually did confess and was contrite and wished to do works befitting repentance but was unable to...
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring light to light the hidden things in darkness and will make manifest the counsels of hearts: and then shall every man have prais of Yah.” 1 Cor 4:5
Ask Him He instructed prayers the Sabbath be kept in times of trouble...not that lives were saved or the Temple spared...
Maybe why it is a perpetual sign with His people? They still have a sabbatismos? Isaiah confirms it goes to the new world...you know...Sabbath from when BEFORE this hellish detour of sin was begun...back to which we will be restored...tree of life...pretty place...peace...Him the Lord of the Sabbath
not the concern of the prayer...but that Sabbath be kept...
the abomination of desolation you mean? Yeah the main war began in 66AD and people were allowed to flee throughout this period...read some history please...
LOL...during a protracted war...with months of siege...you really think the gates were only closed on the Sabbath? LOL
”Hail Tiberius when do we attack? We have them in Jerusalem completely surrounded for months now...”
”Hail Titus...Might I suggest NOT on their annoying Jewish Sabbath...they close the gates then....might I instead suggest we strike on Sunday?”...
”Yes yes...good...gates closed on Sabbath?...how annoying their Jewish customs not lawful for us Romans to receive or observe...”
LOL...see what I did there? I used Acts 16:21 to show how annoying Jews were long after Paul and Barnabus were harassing Romans in Macedonia...to NOT keep the Sabbath? And to Eat Ham? LOL
fine but prophecy has patterns types anti types foreshadowing and repeats...
The prayer that Sabbath be kept a day of reast and not one of “RUN TO THE HILLS” remains...
when do you have that battle...at His coming or the end of 1000 years?
Do they attack the hand made 1000 year temple in Jerusalem or the Holy City come down?
ok...maybe some more history reading?
Greetings again clefty,
Matthew 24:15–18 (KJV): 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
The design of a Jewish home was that there were outside steps to the rooftop, and when the signal came they were to flee down the stairs, out through the gate of the city, and they were not to divert and waste precious time gathering any possessions for their journey. Similarly if they were working in the field, they were not to return to their house, but flee directly out the gate. Do not override the direct teaching of Jesus with your history in order to support your Sabbath teaching. I have previously stated that I do not believe that Sabbath keeping is necessary for us, as I believe that we find the true rest in Christ Matthew 11:25-30, Hebrews 4.
Kind regards
Trevor
I have already suggested that the faithful as kings / priests will educate the mortal population and Isaiah 2:1-4 indicates this.
I would prefer to move on rather than dig over the past. The majority of mankind have their reward in this life, and then perish. God is no longer interested in them. Some will be raised to judgement and rejected at the beginning of the 1000 years Daniel 12:2-3. The judgement on Adam and Eve in the Garden was simple and sure. No need to pour over the records of the unfaithful for 1000 years. They love long running litigation in the US, but God knows and reveals the hearts as Jesus demonstrated with his parables and teachings.
I suggest that you are misusing this passage to support your Sabbath keeping concept.
There may be some detailed history, but I suggest that you are ignoring an important aspect of what Jesus instructed and this gives a different perspective.
Matthew 24:15–18 (KJV): 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
The design of a Jewish home was that there were outside steps to the rooftop, and when the signal came they were to flee down the stairs, out through the gate of the city, and they were not to divert and waste precious time gathering any possessions for their journey. Similarly if they were working in the field, they were not to return to their house, but flee directly out the gate. Do not override the direct teaching of Jesus with your history in order to support your Sabbath teaching. I have previously stated that I do not believe that Sabbath keeping is necessary for us, as I believe that we find the true rest in Christ Matthew 11:25-30, Hebrews 4.
Some time after the return of Jesus and the gathering of the faithful to him Revelation 16:12-16.
I am disappointed that you did not indicate that you have some personal study in a Bible area, and a major part of my fellowship is that we discuss together many aspects of our personal study. Yes, I like a bit of history, but mainly using history books for reference.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Notice He addresses ”Men of Judea” not just Jerusalem...the walls went around a city NOT all of Judea
as it happened within the years of war and siege the gates were NOT just closed on the Sabbath...
Surely He knew it would NOT be a ONE day attack...
And that a sabbatismos remains for His people...Heb 4:9 are you not His people or does Sabbath make you MAD too
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yes I meant more in line with people born and dying how long they live...how could they refuse the offer with resurrected evidence to testify and Christ Himself performing miracles? And what of the missing raptured more questions than that even...who would be left to attack the city come down if dead never rise but just stay in dust
well considering everybody has loved ones and friends it take some time to confirm all records were accurate and questions would remains as why someone did or did NOT make it...
you have to resort to that as no other reasonable suggestion can be offered...or you can accept that He ACTUALLY meant His instructions for prayers to be said that a “RUN TO THE HILLS” would NOT occur on the TWO times He expects to continue into the future: WINTER and Sabbath...
not MAY BE but there is...and of a long protracted war of siege during which time Titus ALLOWED inhabitants to flee...even resettled most elsewhere...
LOL...it humors me to see what effort is taken to reject a day off...the dexterity of mind and argument to twist and distort in such clever ways...leaves me in need of rest...His rest...made for man...
Notice He addresses ”Men of Judea” not just Jerusalem...the walls went around a city NOT all of Judea
as it happened within the years of war and siege the gates were NOT just closed on the Sabbath...
Surely He knew it would NOT be a ONE day attack...
noted...but what you miss is that the rest He gives is exactly that Sabbath...His sign...His yoke to signify He is your master as you do His works
And that a sabbatismos remains for His people...Heb 4:9 are you not His people or does Sabbath make you MAD too
ok...
I study names, festivals, Sabbath vs Babylon its ways...
Greetings again clefty,
Kind regards
Trevor
My only other thought on the Sabbath being unsuitable is that some Jews may have enforced restrictions on travelling more than a Sabbath day’s journey.
Even if there was some reprieve later, it appears from the message that Jesus instructed that the disciples were to leave immediately, not sometime that day, not the next day, but not to go inside their home, but down the stairs and out, or immediate departure from the field where they were working and not to return to their home. If they had a week in which to decide what day to travel, then the warning about the Sabbath would be irrelevant.
Actually I did not work a six-day week, but a nine-day fortnight, with every second Monday off. Possibly this was because I did not have to plough my field with one horse, but contributed to my Power Station which had a few thousand horsepower, actually 885,000 HP.
I suggest that Hebrews 3 and 4 describe the true rest in Christ, by comparison to the failure under Joshua to obtain permanent rest in the Land of Promise, and the shadow Sabbath under the Law. It is interesting that these two aspects are intertwined, with additional lessons almost unique to these chapters, while those that advocate Sabbath keeping today ignore the overall teachings and detail of these chapters. Nearly every aspect of the Law is shown in the Letter to the Hebrews to be a shadow of the true.
When do you suggest that Revelation 16:12-16 will be fulfilled? I parallel Revelation 16:12-16 with Daniel 11:40-45, Ezekiel 38 and Zechariah 14, but these do not fit with a scorched and desolate earth concept.
I hope that in the near future, and possibly as times become more difficult, that both of us will have sufficient oil in our lamps when we hear the Bridegroom is on His way, and that we are ready and prepared to leave to meet him at a moment’s warning.
Kind regards
Trevor
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