The "L" in TULIP Makes Calvinism Anti-Gospel and Anti-Christ

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Robert Pate

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I have yet to see or hear a Calvinist explain how God and Jesus made a deal with the devil so that Jesus only made a limited atonement. The "L" in TULIP is not only anti-Gospel it is anti-Christ and is pro-devil.

If Jesus did not atone for ALL of the sins of the world then Jesus is not Lord and he should be removed from his position at the right hand of God as the "King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.

If Jesus did not atone for ALL of the sins of the world and God accepted Jesus into heaven on that basis, then God is evil and is pro-devil.

The implications to this false doctrine are unconceivable and unbelievable. The "L" in TULIP means that Jesus has not reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. One of the conditions for reconciling us and the world unto God is that Jesus must overcome and defeat sin, death and the devil.

The "L" in TULIP means that the devil won and Jesus is NOT Lord. If Jesus is NOT Lord no one can be saved, not even a Calvinist.
 
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What is Limited Atonement?

Limited atonement is the teaching within Calvinism which states that Jesus only bore the sins of the elect (those chosen for salvation by God) and that He did not bear the sins of every individual who has ever lived. This teaching is also called "particular redemption" and "definite atonement."
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Limited atonement is debated within Christian circles. It is not one of the essential doctrines of the Christian faith. We are free to agree with it and not agree with it. But it is worth noting that every true Christian believes in a form of limited atonement. Within the Reformed camp the limit on the atonement is in the scope. In other words, the atoning work of Christ is so powerful that all for whom the atonement has been made will be saved. On the other hand, the universal atonement position limits the power of the atonement since it says that not everyone who is atoned for will be saved.
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The Calvinist/Reformed idea of Limited Atonement says that Jesus chose to atone for only the sins of selected individuals.

To understand what God thinks of the Atonement, we need to go back to the Old Testament and look at the type and shadow of Christ's atonement: the Day of Atonement.


Leviticus 23:26-32
26 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.​


The Day of Atonement was a universal atonement for all the people of the children of Israel.
However, it was up to the individual members of the children of Israel as to whether they would participate in the Day of Atonement and receive the blessings of atonement.
Those people that refused to be part of the Day of Atonement, did not receive atonement.

In the same manner, the fulfillment of the type and shadow of the Day of Atonement, which is the death of Jesus on the cross, is a universal atonement that is made available to everyone that chooses to participate in it.

Neither the scope nor the power of the atonement is limited.
 
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HisServant

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You might as well deny that Israel was ever God's chosen people in the past.

God picks and chooses based on his own designs... that is just a plain fact.
 
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Robert Pate

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The Bible does not teach a limited atonement, not in the Old Testament or in the New Testament.

There are multiple scriptures that teach an unlimited atonement.

Here are just a few, Hebrews 2:9, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 4:14. There are many others.
 
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Robert Pate

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HisServant said:
You might as well deny that Israel was ever God's chosen people in the past.

God picks and chooses based on his own designs... that is just a plain fact.
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Israel was God's chosen people to bring Jesus Christ into the world.

However, because they rejected their Messiah they are no longer God's chosen people.

God's people are those who believe on his Son Jesus Christ.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Christ paid for the sins of ALL mankind. However, only those who place
their faith in Christ as their Savior will benefit from Christ's death and
resurrection. That is a fact.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Revelation tells us that, the unsaved will stand before God
and be judged by their "works." It doesn't mention; by their
sins. Isn't that interesting?
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Calvinists have their own peculiar way of misinterpreting Scripture. Calvinism
is based on these misinterpretations. Calvinism is a man-made belief system.
It's based on the thoughts of John Calvin and others. That's the problem when
one depends on the thoughts/theories of commentators, etc. One must read
and study from the word on an individual basis. Before opening the Bible, it's
best to pray for guidance, wisdom, and direction from the Holy Spirit. Pray to
God in Jesus name. Men's theories, opinions, assumptions can misdirect the
reader. Let the Holy Spirit guide you.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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No one will wind up in the Lake of Fire because of their sins. Rejecting
God's free gift of Grace is the reason people will end up in the Lake of
Fire for eternity. They'll be in the same place where Satan and his fallen
angels are thrown into.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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Too many people depend on their church, water baptism, good works/deeds,
and themselves. None of these will gain you eternal life.
 
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Grosnick Marowbe

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God created all of His creations with a free-will. Calvinists disagree
with this fact. Much to their detriment. The free choice of man is
seen all over the Old and New Testament. Yet, the Calvinists will
deny what's right in front of them. Their "belief system" causes
their minds to accept blindness.
 
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