The Gospel Verses the Catholic Church

Robert Pate

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Catholicism is a man conceived religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament that resembles the Catholic religion, except for the religion of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wore long robes and dressed different than the ordinary Jew because they wanted to stand out. Same way with the Catholic church, they want to stand out. To say that Catholicism is a showy religion may be an understatement.

Catholics believe that Man's old Adamic nature can be rehabilitated and made pleasing to God by works, which they call by grace or by an infused righteousness. The virtues of Jesus Christ are infused into them by the Holy Spirit and they become righteous in God's eyes, so they say. The Bible knows nothing of an infused righteousness. The word "Infused" is not in the Bible. Paul says that we become righteous in God's eyes by faith.

"But to him that does no works, but BELIEVES on him that justifies the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

Faith counts for righteousness, not works. The reason that faith counts for righteousness and not works is because the work of salvation has already been accomplished by Jesus Christ. Before Jesus died on the cross he said, "It is finished". What he meant when he said that is that he had done all that was necessary for the salvation of fallen man. This is what Paul meant when he said, "And you are complete in him" Colossians 2:10. Jesus as our new Adam and representative has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Catholics do not believe that they have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ. They believe that they are reconciled to God by the Catholic church.

In the Gospel, God puts to death the old Adamic nature of man in the crucifixon of Jesus Christ, Romans 6:6. This is why Paul Said, "I have been crucified with Christ" Galatians 2:20. Paul identified himself with Christ. Paul saw his old Adamic sin nature as crucified with Christ. Nothing was rehabilitated. In the resurrection of Jesus God brings forth a new humanity, not a rehabilitated humanity.

"Therefore if any man be "In Christ" he is a new creation: old things are passed away; behold, all things have become new" 2 Corinthians 5:17.

God now sees us as new creations in Jesus Christ. God and his Son Jesus Christ like new things, not those old rehabilitated sinful things. As far as God is concerned those that have come to Christ to be saved by him are perfect and complete "In Jesus Christ". God can find no sin in the man that confesses with his mouth the Lord Jesus and believes in his heart that God has raised him from the dead, Romans 10:9.

What Catholics are trying to do in their flesh, God has already done in Jesus Christ.
 

Robert Pate

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I don't know where all of the Catholics have gone. There used to be quite a few on the Forum, but they seem to have disappeared. Guess there is to much light here or something.
 

jamie

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If I told you that Jesus atoned for the sins of the world would you believe me? 1 John 4:14.

If I told you we are not saved by Jesus' death, would you believe me?

For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5:10)​

Correct answer: we were reconciled by his death and we are saved by his life.
 

Robert Pate

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If I told you we are not saved by Jesus' death, would you believe me?

For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5:10)​

Correct answer: we were reconciled by his death and we are saved by his life.

You are beginning to sound like B57.

We were saved and reconciled to God by the Life and death of Jesus.
 

Desert Reign

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Catholicism is a man conceived religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament that resembles the Catholic religion, except for the religion of the Pharisees.
What Catholics are trying to do in their flesh, God has already done in Jesus Christ.


I do believe that Jesus advised, in relation to a certain man who went around preaching in the name of Jesus but who was not part of Jesus' band of disciples, that they let him be.
There may be many things wrong with Catholicism, but you need to pick your enemies more carefully. The casino owners, the drug pushers, the people traffickers and so on. It seems to me that Christians pick fights with other Christians almost exclusively, but it only does two things: it shows the world that Christianity is divided; and it shows that Christianity is an isolationist religion - that they have nothing better to do than talk amongst themselves and in a language that only they understand.
So stop being a coward and bullying the Catholics: begin by owning up to the fact that your own brand of Christianity also has serious faults. Then, when you have done that and got mired down in the complex arguments trying to defend your own branch, you realise it is better just to stop criticising other Christians and accept that you all have faults and leave it at that. After that, if you are patient, you might start even learning to appreciate the good sides of those you condemn. And finally, you can get out after the drug pushers and actually do something that will advance God's kingdom.
 

jamie

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We were saved and reconciled to God by the Life and death of Jesus.

Shall be saved is future tense.

For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. (Romans 5:10)​
 

patrick jane

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I don't know where all of the Catholics have gone. There used to be quite a few on the Forum, but they seem to have disappeared. Guess there is to much light here or something.


Catholics fall in love with their church and the rituals, dress and ceremony. They put the church first as a means to salvation. Real Christians don't need the pomp and circumstance of the catholic rituals
 

SaulToPaul 2

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Catholics fall in love with their church and the rituals, dress and ceremony. They put the church first as a means to salvation. Real Christians don't need the pomp and circumstance of the catholic rituals

It is a beautiful religion with whitewashed walls. Just underneath the surface is the filthiness of iniquity.
 
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