The gospel, the kingdom, and the nations.
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beameup
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This will occur during the Tribulation. Following this, the Day of the LORD will occur upon the WORLD due to the rejection of the Gospel by earth-dwellers.
Enoch is the oldest prophecy we know of that deals with the end of the Tribulation and the Day of the LORD:
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against HIM." - Jude 1:14-15
I disagree with what you are saying. You have mentioned Enoch. I believe you should read Jude again. "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying,"
You are talking about the end of the tribulation. You mentioned during the tribulation. What does the Bible say about the tribulation? When does the Bible say the tribulation would be? When is the tribulation? Or, when did it begin? Also, if it began before now are we in the tribulation now? I don't know what relationship the tribulation has to the day of the LORD. You are speaking of a phrase that occurs in scripture, the day of the LORD. Is this phrase always referring to the same thing? What does it refer to in each case? We should look at verses, the verses in scripture, that mention tribulation or the tribulation (is it right to say this?)? What do the scriptures say and what are they referring to?
Here are verses that have the word tribulation in them.
Matthew 24:9 NASB - "Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name.
Matthew 24:21 NASB - "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
Matthew 24:29 NASB - "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Mark 13:19 NASB - "For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will.
Mark 13:24 NASB - "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT,
John 16:33 NASB - "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world."
Romans 2:9 NASB - There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
Romans 5:3 NASB - And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
Romans 8:35 NASB - Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 12:12 NASB - rejoicing in hope, persevering in tribulation, devoted to prayer,
1 Thessalonians 1:6 NASB - You also became imitators of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation with the joy of the Holy Spirit,
Revelation 1:9 NASB - I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 2:9 NASB - 'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 2:10 NASB - 'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.
Revelation 2:22 NASB - 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.
Revelation 7:14 NASB - I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
beameup
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You haven't been "paying attention". I already referenced the key phrases to search the Scriptures for.
"Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before The Day of the LORD's anger come upon you.
Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger." - Zephaniah 2:2-3
Only the "meek" shall inherit the earth. The "proud" shall perish in the Day of the LORD's wrath.
From what I can tell you do not understand what you are talking about. Your presentation of God's word is such that it is difficult to tell if you are combining ideas or just presenting different things. I am doing everything I can to help you here. I have told you, or implied in what I have said, that with "the day of the LORD" you need to explain if you believe that every reference to the day of the LORD in scripture is referring to the same thing. I am encouraged by reading scripture with you. I hope we all have the right understanding or grow in our understanding so that we do. I don't know if or that what you are saying here is correct. Your understanding after quoting the scriptures you have quoted does not help me to understand that you understand either what you are quoting or scripture as a whole rightly. I can't tell from what I am reading in your post here that it, what you have written, or you, are correct. This can be learning for everyone. I am learning from you, but as I am exposed to scripture and your ideas I do not know what to do with them or what to make of them. Why do you say, "Only the "meek" shall inherit the earth. The "proud" shall perish in the Day of the LORD's wrath."? What do you mean by that? Where do you get this from? Is this your idea? Is it your idea you believe that you have derived from scripture? Is it what scripture says?
People come at things in a wide variety of ways and by a wide variety of means. I don't know what, or I don't know all, that is involved here.
For you and your understanding,
Jacob
In John 7:37 On the Last Day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out saying, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."
Jesus said this in reference to Leviticus 23:39 Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the LORD for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbath-rest and on the eighth day a sabbath-rest.
Tabernacles is seven days and the eighth day is the Great Day.
Revelation 20:11-12 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Isaiah 30:21 Your ears shall hear a word behind you saying, "This is the way, walk in it" whenever you turn to the right hand or whenever you turn to the left.
Isaiah 65:20 No more shall an infant from there live but a few days nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days, for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isaiah 30:21 Your ears shall hear a word behind you saying, "This is the way, walk in it" whenever you turn to the right hand or whenever you turn to the left.
Isaiah 65:20 No more shall an infant from there live but a few days nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days, for the child shall die one hundred years old, but the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.
Accursed is a reference to the second death when the soul is destroyed.
I know the eighth day as Shemini or Shemini Atzeret. Why do you say "the Great Day"?
This is not my understanding. I also don't know what you are thinking in posting these verses, why you have posted them or what you are thinking about or wanting to communicate in doing so (in posting them).
Jesus only judges believers as to how they can serve in his kingdom. Jesus does not judge unbelievers.
John 12:47-48 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me and does not receive My words has that which judges him — the word that I have spoken will judge him in the Last Day.
The Last Day is the day of judgment of the rest of the dead. They will be judged by the same standard by which we are judged, i.e. God's word. Of course there will be teachers to teach them God's word so that they may choose to accept Jesus' sacrifice for sin or not.
The Book of Life is opened to them. They may choose life or they may choose death, the second death. They have already died once.
Are you here to learn God's word?
I don't see your idea or view in scripture. Please reevaluate your position. I can help if you want me to. What do you want to talk about or ask about first? I can't agree to your response.
I believe John 12:47-48 as with the rest of scripture. I have no idea why you say Jesus does not judge unbelievers.
To teach and learn from others.
Hebrews 10:23-31 NASB - 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near. 26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES. 28 Anyone who has set aside the Law of Moses dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE." 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
2 Timothy 2:15 NASB - 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
2 Timothy 3:16 NASB - 16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
1 Timothy 4:16 NASB - 16 Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.
Acts 17:10-15 NASB - 10 The brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. 12 Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men. 13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica found out that the word of God had been proclaimed by Paul in Berea also, they came there as well, agitating and stirring up the crowds. 14 Then immediately the brethren sent Paul out to go as far as the sea; and Silas and Timothy remained there. 15 Now those who escorted Paul brought him as far as Athens; and receiving a command for Silas and Timothy to come to him as soon as possible, they left.
Yes, I believe that. :cow:
Do you have the scriptures or know about the scriptures about Jesus being the Judge and that God appointed Him to be the Judge?
James 3:1-18 NASB - 1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well. 3 Now if we put the bits into the horses' mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well. 4 Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires. 5 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire! 6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. 7 For every species of beasts and birds, of reptiles and creatures of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by the human race. 8 But no one can tame the tongue; it is a restless evil and full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the likeness of God; 10 from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way. 11 Does a fountain send out from the same opening both fresh and bitter water? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh. 13 Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. 15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. 16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. 17 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Bradley D
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I believe that the destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem forced the disciples to leave Israel and carry the gospel to other nations. So the destruction of Jerusalem did not hinder the preaching of the Gospel. The gospel is still being preached today, even as the Bible says "few will be saved."
Ben Masada
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Tell me Jacob, have you ever read Greek Mythology? If you haven't, look up the definition of a "demigod." Demigod is a term in Greek Mythology that describes the son of a god with an earthly woman without the help of a biological human father. If you read Mat. 1:18, that's exactly what a demigod is. That Jesus was born of God with Mary without Joseph for a father.
beameup
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"Demigods" started in the Torah, in Genesis 6. Obviously these facts have been "hidden" from you.
Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, we find the ultra-orthodox conservative Jews also read the Book of Enoch, which goes into great detail concerning the "Watchers" ('elohim) and the "Nephilim" (demi-gods), in Satan's attempt to corrupt the human DNA and prevent a Messiah.
BTW, "Greek gods" had SEX with "human women" producing the "demi-gods". No "virgin" involved.
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The gospel was preached, as we see in the New Testament Scriptures, beforehand. When was the destruction of the Temple/Jerusalem relative to the New Testament Scriptures and when they were written?
I don't believe Jesus/Yeshua to be a demigod. The Scriptures and the Bible do not have anything to do with Greek Mythology.
Proverbs 30:4 NASB - Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know!
I encourage you to read the Gospels and Matthew 1 NASB and Luke 3 NASB.
Other than that you and I need to talk about the definition of a virgin in the Bible. See Isaiah 7:14 NASB and Isaiah 9:6 NASB.
Bradley D
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Jesus told his disciples that the temple would be destroyed. His prophecy came true in AD 70. It was God's will. The temple was of the Old Covenant. Now the temple of God resides within the believer.
"Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 'Do you see all these things?' he asked. 'I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down'" (Matt.24:1-8 NIV). See also Lk.21:5-6.
"Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 'Do you see all these things?' he asked. 'I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down'" (Matt.24:1-8 NIV). See also Lk.21:5-6.