The Gospel Of Thomas

[unknown]

I dont have a problem with freedom of speech, they can say what they want I will say what i want.

I have told anyone to shut or get off the thread have I?

Just when people put value on the valueless I will just say my piece

It seems like the gnostic corner are the ones who have a problem with people stating an educated opinion on this piece of fiction.

You were obviously "educated" by your church; you are not free.
You have no joy if your spirit is troubled; where is the truth?
You have no faith in God because you flee when none pursues.
You put your church before the truth, you do not believe that The Creator is able to teach mankind. Jesus said he would send the Holy Spirit to lead the disciples to truth. Why are you not free to hear from the HS? It is only because you put your church and it's religion before The Creator. You also put Paul above Jesus, while I'm at it.

You think that God chose the books of the bible from many writers. God gave Torah, men wrote the bible and the church decided which writings of which men would be in the bible. They even wrote books in the names of the Apostles to support their propaganda. Do you really think any of the NT texts outside of Paul's was written by the hand of the Apostles? Do you think these unlearned men really followed Jesus around taking notes?
More likely they spent a lot of time on the run from Roman authority. The Romans won in the end, oh wait, you're Catholic. Would that be Roman Catholic by any chance?

Thank you for the opportunity to get my fingers warmed up this morning. I am now thinking about a thread on The Gospel of Judas and another one called Kabbalah Korner, what do ya think, kinda of a catchy title, wot?

 

[unknown]

I learn something new every day. I though 'mainstreamer' belonged to meshak.

It's kind of a running joke around here these days.

Blessings friend.

 

[unknown]

That is awesome indeed, I wish Icould have met a master or guru early in life,,but as you say the Tao is setting it up how it needs to be.Most of my understanding comes from Toa de ching and Alan Watts lectures.But I do hope to learn more and as Alan Watts says, your either a part of or aware of it or your not,and I do think I am.

This very much adds to my ideals about science and what Tesla said about energy,frequency and vibration.and how we only see like 1 percent of the light and electromagnetic spectrum. I am a huge Tesla,Einstein fan and student.I love quantum mechanix and the study of the substance of the universe from the ground up,,or particle up

Going to go over the new verse you posted and try and gets some thoughts going about it now.

Just to be clear, he was not a master or guru. He was a friend. I have come to see that many things are placed in our paths but we often do not recognize what they are or why they are there. I think this also pertains to the saying you just posted about what is hidden being revealed. (#5, I think).

 

[This Charming Manc]

I think the bias of the is forums has long been known , so philosophies which are not christian are going to get a hard time here.

However with the gnostic Gospels they are something that purport to be christian and are very much not.

As you can see above some claimed they were the writing of Thomas one of 12 disciples of Jesus. which is not well supported view

This is something very different that debating Islam which is very clearly different.

Oh, ok, so if a book of the Quran was up for discussion, the ‘educated opinion’ would call it ‘the Muslim corner’.
I get it... .:sigh:

 

[unknown]

My thoughts this morning about the detractors in this thread:

Two things that I am sure of are;

Nothing moves without desire unless acted upon by an outside force. If you know of something that does please share that with us.

and

A normally functioning organism moves toward what it finds pleasurable and away from what it considers uncomfortable.



What desire moves the detractor to provoke another living soul? What pleasure do they derive from it?

So far I can only think of the following reasons:

1.) They find pleasure in aggravating disabled old people with PTSD. (probably not the reason)

2.) They receive pleasure from chastisement. ( I know a few women like that)

3.) They derive pleasure from feeling superior to others (double entendre) and think they can show themselves superior. (they haven't yet)

I think it may be a combination of 2 and 3 but there may be another pleasure they get from their actions (works).

 

[This Charming Manc]

Or its done.

what people say about Jesus is important to me .

and when people start passing spurious fiction of as insight I need to say something.

Attack me all you want I haven't attacked you juts the gnostic rubbish which is the gospel of thomas

My thoughts this morning about the detractors in this thread:

Two things that I am sure of are;

Nothing moves without desire unless acted upon by an outside force. If you know of something that does please share that with us.

and

A normally functioning organism moves toward what it finds pleasurable and away from what it considers uncomfortable.



What desire moves the detractor to provoke another living soul? What pleasure do they derive from it?

So far I can only think of the following reasons:

1.) They find pleasure in aggravating disabled old people with PTSD. (probably not the reason)

2.) They receive pleasure from chastisement. ( I know a few women like that)

3.) They derive pleasure from feeling superior to others (double entendre) and think they can show themselves superior. (they haven't yet)

I think it may be a combination of 2 and 3 but there may be another pleasure they get from their actions (works).

 

[bybee]

My thoughts this morning about the detractors in this thread:

Two things that I am sure of are;

Nothing moves without desire unless acted upon by an outside force. If you know of something that does please share that with us.

and

A normally functioning organism moves toward what it finds pleasurable and away from what it considers uncomfortable.

I am not a detractor of this thread. I read the "Gospel of Thomas" years ago and didn't find anything remarkable one way or the other within it. Then again I'm not a theologian.
But, you left out one additional reason, people may have honest objections to what another person states. If they are stated respectfully one may learn from them or not.

What desire moves the detractor to provoke another living soul? What pleasure do they derive from it?

So far I can only think of the following reasons:

1.) They find pleasure in aggravating disabled old people with PTSD. (probably not the reason)

2.) They receive pleasure from chastisement. ( I know a few women like that)

3.) They derive pleasure from feeling superior to others (double entendre) and think they can show themselves superior. (they haven't yet)

I think it may be a combination of 2 and 3 but there may be another pleasure they get from their actions (works).

 

[unknown]

Or its done.

what people say about Jesus is important to me .

and when people start passing spurious fiction of as insight I need to say something.

Attack me all you want I haven't attacked you juts the gnostic rubbish which is the gospel of thomas

Do you not know the difference between defense and offense? You are the offender , just to be clear (this is my thread, jerk) . Or did you think your offense would cause me to bow to your desires and I would not defend my self?

 

[unknown]

@Bybee,

Did I leave you speechless or did you just hit the submit button too quick. I see the question mark at the top, oh wait, did you do the white on white thing.

No matter, good morning to you my friend.

 

[bybee]

@Bybee,

Did I leave you speechless or did you just hit the submit button too quick. I see the question mark at the top, oh wait, did you do the white on white thing.

No matter, good morning to you my friend.

I typed in a very nice response and then cause it to disappear!
Didn't even say "Abracadabra"!:crackup:

 

[unknown]

I typed in a very nice response and then cause it to disappear!
Didn't even say "Abracadabra"!:crackup:

Well the question mark was my only clue. I should have known you didn't do the white on white thing cause I couldn't quote you. I need another cup of coffee, lools like it's gonna be a long day and my brain is not really focused yet.

 

[This Charming Manc]

I haven't attacked you...

I am amused by the concept of owning a thread, and therefor being able to control it .....

Do you not know the difference between defense and offense? You are the offender , just to be clear (this is my thread, jerk) . Or did you think your offense would cause me to bow to your desires and I would not defend my self?

 

[unknown]

I haven't attacked you...

I am amused by the concept of owning a thread, and therefor being able to control it .....

Are you also amused at respecting others? Nevermind, I see you have no respect, Christian.

You say your pleasure in this activity comes from defending the words of Jesus. What you are actually defending is your own personal beliefs about the words of Jesus. It's all egotistical because your beliefs are just that, yours. And my beliefs are mine, you just can't respect that; Can you, Christian? The truth has not set you free, your religion has too many locks on the door, you're not going anywhere, Christian.

Is this how one performs "Do unto others"? Have you ever considered that some people do not like what you like? Should I not do to you what you do to me, Christian? Is that not why you came?

Edit to add: You may have not attacked me personally but you certainy did attack my thread. What's the difference? It is my work, so, you have attacked me, Christian.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Are you also amused at respecting others? Nevermind, I see you have no respect, Christian.

I don't respect false gospels. never have, never will and I don't feel shy for saying it.

However I haven't been disrespectful to you. I have not called you a name, I haven't impugned your motives, or made unpleasant suggestions about why you have made certain comments.

I think you need to wake up and understand if you want to come on an orthodox christian theology forum and pushes heretical teachings and people will not disagree with you because its 'your thread' its time to wake up and get real.

The gospel of Thomas contains spiritual death and is an affront to Jesus. The apostles thought so, the early church thought so, the church through the ages thought so, and I don't think they got it wrong.

You say your pleasure in this activity comes from defending the words of Jesus. What you are actually defending is your own personal beliefs about the words of Jesus. It's all egotistical because your beliefs are just that, yours.

My words as said are the words of those that came before me, I am not stating simply my opinion, but the opinion of learned and godly men. Why is listening to such men egotism ?

And my beliefs are mine, you just can't respect that;

I can, but i ask you to defend and explain them, and all you do is insult.

Tell me why you think the gospel of Thomas is from the apostle?

When the writing of the other apostles dent its gnostic philosophy, no early church fathers claim it as authoritative, others claim it was heretical, and its message is significantly different to the other 4 gospels?

If you want to claim something about this gospel defend it or shut up.

Can you, Christian? The truth has not set you free, your religion has too many locks on the door, you're not going anywhere, Christian.

Is this how one performs "Do unto others"? Have you ever considered that some people do not like what you like? Should I not do to you what you do to me, Christian? Is that not why you came?

If I was wallowing in lies and BS id hope my friends would tell me the truth.

 

[unknown]

I don't respect false gospels. never have, never will and I don't feel shy for saying it.

However I haven't been disrespectful to you. I have not called you a name, I haven't impugned your motives, or made unpleasant suggestions about why you have made certain comments.

I think you need to wake up and understand if you want to come on an orthodox christian theology forum and pushes heretical teachings and people will not disagree with you because its 'your thread' its time to wake up and get real.

The gospel of Thomas contains spiritual death and is an affront to Jesus. The apostles thought so, the early church thought so, the church through the ages thought so, and I don't think they got it wrong.



My words as said are the words of those that came before me, I am not stating simply my opinion, but the opinion of learned and godly men. Why is listening to such men egotism ?



I can, but i ask you to defend and explain them, and all you do is insult.

Tell me why you think the gospel of Thomas is from the apostle?

When the writing of the other apostles dent its gnostic philosophy, no early church fathers claim it as authoritative, others claim it was heretical, and its message is significantly different to the other 4 gospels?

If you want to claim something about this gospel defend it or shut up.




If I was wallowing in lies and BS id hope my friends would tell me the truth.

We see from various texts that these apostles (or whoever actually wrote the text in the name of the Apostles) did not always teach in the same manner with exactly the same understanding. That is the same thing we see in the real world today. A man goes to school and learns to be a preacher. Thousands of men attended the same course, received the same degree and teach different doctrine. Nothing new here.

. Learn to read. This quote is from the OP. Had you read the OP you would know that nobody is defending these texts, we are discussing these texts. I don't think you're going to able to discuss them from the looks of it.


You probably didn't see this either.

Edit to add: You may have not attacked me personally but you certainty did attack my thread. What's the difference? It is my work, so, you have attacked me, Christian.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Nah just disagreed with it

You probably didn't see this either.

 

[This Charming Manc]

Your free to discuss it, i am free to comment on the discussion

Seems like you dont want to deal with a dissenting opinion.

Out of interest if you dont view the gospel as having knowledge or authority why discuss it ?

. Learn to read. This quote is from the OP. Had you read the OP you would know that nobody is defending these texts, we are discussing these texts. I don't think you're going to able to discuss them from the looks of it.

 

[unknown]

Nah just disagreed with it

As I said before; The wicked flee when none pursue. Take your straw man and go back to your religion.

Nobody here is defending this text or claiming that the Apostle Thomas wrote it. Or, show me! Or, show me how discussing these things is harmful.

Thanks again for allowing me the opportunity to vent a little steam. I have been holding it in for a while now. Do what you are doing, we all want to see it. There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.

 

[unknown]

Your free to discuss it, i am free to comment on the discussion

Seems like you dont want to deal with a dissenting opinion.

Out of interest if you dont view the gospel as having knowledge or authority why discuss it ?

Makes you wonder don't it? Are you also so blind you do not know this thread was spawned from another thread? What you say is in your imagination, deal with it.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Your free to discuss it, i am free to comment on the discussion

Seems like you dont want to deal with a dissenting opinion.

Out of interest if you dont view the gospel as having knowledge or authority why discuss it ?

That.