The Gospel Of Thomas
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Lon
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Sorry, I think "Canonicity" within the bounds of discussion. You must remember this isn't just a theology site but owned by Christians such that canonicity is pertinent to our forum. You aren't going to get traction with a report against such a concern, Joseph. Our collective concern is certainly concerned about the greater issue of the book than a line by line discussion of its contents.
From the second quote of the OP:
I know enough about gnosticism to join in and share, I believe, and felt 'welcomed.' Nobody mentioned debate was not encouraged because I try hard to honor intentions of O.P.'s
Lon
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Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this judgment.
Levolor
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I have thought that that was a very good saying. Very appropriate for what has been transpiring lately. And so, have let it be posted without making comment.
I shall, Lord willing, come online early tomorrow (either in the morning or evening) and make comment.
May God bless us one and all.
(39) Jesus said: The Pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (and) have hidden them. They did not go in, and those who wished to go in they did not allow. But you, be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.
See Matthew 10:16,Matthew 23:13
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Reincarnation (rebirth)
Reincarnation (rebirth)
I held the former charter thread here at TOL on 'Reincarnation', but my older thread was deleted with many other older threads in the last server upgrade (making new space). Our current extant thread on the subject was taken up by me here, so those interested in seeing what we've covered so far, can inquire there. - I gather I still have some other religious traditions to cover, on their views on 'rebirth'. My pivotal exchanges with Cruciform on the similarities and differences of 'reincarnation' and 'resurrection' are there as well.
Your passage quote above is covered here, it does not in any way, shape or form discount neither disprove the concept of 'reincarnation'. Reincarnation in some form or another is at the heart of many of our fundamental religious systems in their esoteric schools, the 'principle' being integral to the eternal progression and perfection of souls, via the 'plurality of existence', 'multiple life-experiences' or 'soul-embodiments'. The subject has some subtle complexities among the various schools and theories concerning the 'mechanics' involved, but philosophically....the logic and wisdom of such holds thru-out.
A shorter term used instead of 'reincarnation' but referring to the same thing is 'rebirth', when understood in the proper context.
pj
Reincarnation (rebirth)
I held the former charter thread here at TOL on 'Reincarnation', but my older thread was deleted with many other older threads in the last server upgrade (making new space). Our current extant thread on the subject was taken up by me here, so those interested in seeing what we've covered so far, can inquire there. - I gather I still have some other religious traditions to cover, on their views on 'rebirth'. My pivotal exchanges with Cruciform on the similarities and differences of 'reincarnation' and 'resurrection' are there as well.
Your passage quote above is covered here, it does not in any way, shape or form discount neither disprove the concept of 'reincarnation'. Reincarnation in some form or another is at the heart of many of our fundamental religious systems in their esoteric schools, the 'principle' being integral to the eternal progression and perfection of souls, via the 'plurality of existence', 'multiple life-experiences' or 'soul-embodiments'. The subject has some subtle complexities among the various schools and theories concerning the 'mechanics' involved, but philosophically....the logic and wisdom of such holds thru-out.
A shorter term used instead of 'reincarnation' but referring to the same thing is 'rebirth', when understood in the proper context.
pj
staind.raindrop
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I understand that the difference between canonical and non-canonical books is the fact that a group of religious leaders concluded the non-canonical books were not Spirit inspired. I am not particularly educated on the subject and since you said that you believe you fit into the body of Christ as a teacher, I was hoping you could explain to me the reasoning behind why these religious leaders' opinions should determine the credibility of these writings.
JosephR
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Lon can take His teaching of the canon elsewhere.. and are not needed HERE,
For the blind will lead the blind.
The credibility of these writing are not in question HERE.
Only the study of there of.
TAKE IT ELSE WHERE.
staind.raindrop
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Seriously? You're gonna make me start a thread to get one question answered? Whatever.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
He gives the keys of knowledge.......
He gives the keys of knowledge.......
Of great importance is this saying, in that the scribes had access to the treasures of the word, in which the keys to spiritual truths and principles were enshrouded or invested, yet they were not faithful in teaching the word in ways most appropriate, holding back the 'keys' of gnosis, preventing people from receiving the true light. It is the true 'keys' that open and unlock the mysteries of the kingdom, and impart their treasures.
A true teacher will by the Spirit minister the truest values and most holy keys to those truly ready and surrended to receive such downloads from heaven. When both teacher and student are both in 'synergy' (communion),...there, a special sharing in the Spirit transpires that is beyond space and time, in the omnipresent One, where all is Light.
pj
He gives the keys of knowledge.......
Of great importance is this saying, in that the scribes had access to the treasures of the word, in which the keys to spiritual truths and principles were enshrouded or invested, yet they were not faithful in teaching the word in ways most appropriate, holding back the 'keys' of gnosis, preventing people from receiving the true light. It is the true 'keys' that open and unlock the mysteries of the kingdom, and impart their treasures.
A true teacher will by the Spirit minister the truest values and most holy keys to those truly ready and surrended to receive such downloads from heaven. When both teacher and student are both in 'synergy' (communion),...there, a special sharing in the Spirit transpires that is beyond space and time, in the omnipresent One, where all is Light.
pj
staind.raindrop
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I am looking for which side to take, here. I am already leaning toward yours as it is and if he can't provide something a little more sound than a long winded version of 'because they said so' I won't be swayed over to his, FTR. I don't think your shoeing me away is helping your cause, though.
Lon
Well-known member
Ah yes, the PJ hour commercial.
I’d rather have Jesus -Rhea F. Miller 1922
- I’d rather have Jesus than silver or gold;
I’d rather be His than have riches untold;
I’d rather have Jesus than houses or lands;
I’d rather be led by His nail-pierced hand- Refrain:
Than to be the king of a vast domain
And be held in sin’s dread sway;
I’d rather have Jesus than anything
This world affords today.
- Refrain:
- I’d rather have Jesus than men’s applause;
I’d rather be faithful to His dear cause;
I’d rather have Jesus than worldwide fame;
I’d rather be true to His holy name - He’s fairer than lilies of rarest bloom;
He’s sweeter than honey from out the comb;
He’s all that my hungering spirit needs;
I’d rather have Jesus and let Him lead
Lon
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Lon
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We have internal and external criteria for determining a book's inspiration. Our OT canon is the way it is because we look to what Jesus quoted from and what the disciples quoted from as well as what that canon looked like at the time of Christ.
Our N.T. is written the same. Every book was handed to us by apostles who had Apostle authority to give them to us. Thomas was an Apostle but 1) this book comes from Egypt 2) from 200 AD
and 3) doesn't agree with other scriptures as I've given a few in thread that actually contradict it (read back a page or two and see the scripture comparisons I've given, perhaps to check facts). I don't like anyone trying to rewrite my bible. Supporting it? Backing it up? Yes. Going it against it? :nono: This supposed Gospel of Thomas isn't looking to me like it is a gospel or from Thomas at present. I'll keep reading.
Such leads me toward what I feel a healthy skepticism (including the rest of Christianity). Who is pushing for it? Cultists, gnostics, and agnostics/atheists. We HAVE to ask why that is :think: What's their stake in all this I wonder :think:
In a nutshell, hope it helps.
PJ's his friend and Unknown left so he's a bit angry at the moment. Not typical for Joseph.
In Him
Lon
