The only thing that seems clear about the authorship of Hebrews, is that the writer seems very familiar with the workings of Judaism.
I see in the book the passing away of the old testimony, and the bringing in of the new, better testimony.
The Gospel of the Kingdom and the plot twist.
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I see in the book the passing away of the old testimony, and the bringing in of the new, better testimony.
So, you admit that it "looks like two separate authors" but believe Paul wrote Hebrews anyway.
Why?
How is that not believing in something in spite of evidence to the contrary?
It looks like Matthew's gospel and Mark's gospel are written by two different authors. Both gospels are actually anonymous books, maybe they were both written by one guy several years apart!
That's obviously ludicrous but it exactly follows your line of reasoning! You literally state a belief and then state evidence to the contrary.
If the book of Hebrews looks like it was written by a different author than those epistles that we know are written by Paul then why on Earth would you want to believe that Paul wrote Hebrews?
I just don't get it!
There you go again ignoring the rest of my point of view. And you wonder why I get weary of trying to discuss anything of my scriptural point of view with MADists.
Why should we engage with you in discussion when you won't even bother engaging with us?
There you go again with false accusations. To me it is like you have been beainwashed like a lot of socialists as they seem incapable comprehending what is said to them.
Oh, so show me where you've answered any of the questions that have been posed to you. I'll wait...
Oh wait, you can't, because you haven't.
The threads are still there for everyone to read, Gary.
Stop bearing false witness against your neighbor.
Insults will get you nowhere.
You ought to know by now how honest I am.
What I said is what I truly believe. I can see no other reason for your behavior.
Not very honest at all, I'm afraid.
Where have I ever said otherwise.
Says the one disrespecting TOL staff.
I've ignored nothing. I respond to the post as it was written and know nothing else about your position on this issue. Out of one side of your mouth you affirm Pauline authorship of Hebrews and out of the other side you cite excellent evidence that such affirmation is unwarranted.
Instead of belly-aching, why not just answer the question I asked and explain yourself? If you've already explained it elsewhere then post a link to that post and I'll read it. How is that too much to ask?
Idolater
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Its audience is Timothy. A Gentile sure, but a bishop, or overseer, or elder. I am not one of those.
The Church, the Body of Christ.
The Body of Christ and to those who might believe in Jesus.
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Timothy's mother was a Jew... that makes him Jewish.
The body of Christ did not come into existence until Jesus called Paul.
There are other believers that are not in the body of Christ, like Peter, James and John (among others).
Plus he was circumcised, though later in life than the usual Jewish boy.
Doesn't that make you wonder why God would put him over members of the body of Christ when, according to your doctrine, he wasn't a member of the body of Christ?
Only according to your doctrine.
Everyone who was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, (Acts 2:38), who had their old man destroyed, (Rom 6:6), was raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
That life is "in Christ".
Is it not written..."But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." (1 John 2:5-6) ?
"Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him." (1 John 3:6)
"And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." (1 John 3:24)
John is writing of being "IN HIM".
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That is incorrect, as per your usual. Timothy was a member of the body of Christ.
I simply go by what the Bible says.
You are not sinless, no matter how many times you claim that lie.
There is more than one way to be "in Him".
Stay confused if you like.
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Acts 16:3..."Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek."
Paul did, or had, Timothy circumcised so he would be allowed into synagogues.
So Timothy wouldn't be regarded as a Gentile.
As do I !
Too bad we don't see the bible in the same way.
Where did I make that claim in my post?
Is it because the scriptures I posted above lead to a new life in Christ wherein is no sin?
No, there isn't.
Was that typo a Freudian slip?
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Paul circumcised Timothy not so that "Timothy wouldn't be regarded as a Gentile", but so that Timothy would be considered a LAW ABIDING Jew.
Too bad you are so consistently wrong about the "way that you see" it.
Yes, there is.
It's just as correct either way, as what you say is confused too.
That is another way of looking at it that I had not considered.
Both, however, allowed Timothy access to the Jewish unbelievers.
You're entitled to your opinion.
Besides being water baptized into Christ, what other way is there?
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" (Rom 6:3)
"For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." (Gal 3:27)
Not at my school.
"Confusing". ( Grammar Police Badge Number 2838492 )
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Water baptism has no place in the body of Christ.
You have water on the brain in thinking that "baptize" always means water.
Idolater
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Why are you convinced that Paul necessarily means baptize meaning water baptism, instead of baptize by the Holy Spirit only, and with no water?
Is it because of something outside Scripture, or something internal to the Bible?
You get weary! That's is a laugh!
How is it possible for you not to understand that the whole entire thread and every single thing that anyone has said on it is still right here for the entire world to read?
I can promise you one thing's for sure! No one has ever wondered why you would get weary of anything on this website! You rarely seem to type more the two or three sentences and you very nearly never bother to go through the trouble of answering any question that is ever posed directly to you. Have you ever spent more than twenty minutes at a time typing a post? What's there to be weary about?
Want to be weary? Try spending literally hours presenting type written (i.e. not copy/pasted) biblically based and logically sound posts that are in DIRECT response to what other people have said, only to have the post all but completely ignored and unresponded to, as if it were never written. Then to have the other party run out of substance within three iterations of the conversation, because they can't think of a way to repeat their position again, and disappear after pretending to be frustrated with me!
In short, you couldn't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag (or choose not to). Don't talk to us about being weary! You aren't weary, you're weak!
Matthew 3:11 - he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire
Is that also a water baptism?