Sonnet
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Sure.
The fossil record shows there never was evolution.
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Sure.
I disagree, I think pretending that the Israelites were a miraculous people has become a great stumbling block for sincere truth seekers.
The surviving books of the Old Testament mention other books that did not survive. You may find a list of those books here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-canonical_books_referenced_in_the_Bible
On the issue of Neanderthal DNA, non-Africans are the only ones who have it. Africans don't have it basically because the Neanderthals were in the area of Europe when they intermixed with other humans.
So if Noah's family were the carriers of Neanderthal DNA, and Eurasians got theirs from Noah's male descendants, ironically it didn't make it over to Africa.
So if Noah's family were the carriers of Neanderthal DNA, and Eurasians got theirs from Noah's male descendants, ironically it didn't make it over to Africa.
6days
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The correct number is 99.7%. Neandertal is as fully human as you or me.Caino said:
"In other words, a typical European and a Neanderthal are 99.7% similar over 96-98% of their DNA and 100% similar to a Neanderthal over 2-4% of their DNA. A sub-Saharan African will be 99.7% the same as a Neanderthal over 100% of their DNA.
So the 2-4% of a non-African person’s genome that is of Neanderthal origin will still be 99.7% similar to the matching stretch of DNA in an African person’s genome. In terms of the whole genome, that is only 0.006% of actual difference!" http://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/human-neanderthal-similarity-africans-europeans
That is another example of false conclusions of of UB. We know Neandertals were intelligent...they may have been more intelligent than us. We don't know. (They did have slightly larger brains than us). And, we don't know what happened to Neandertals. Did they simply assimilate with other people groups? Did they die off because of genetic problems and disease as other people groups have done?Caino said:
One thing we do know for certain is that these people loved and cared for each other. They were descendants of Adam and Eve. And these people were loved by their Creator, the God of the Bible.
6days
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Uh.... Not sure. Does that relate to Neandertals?
Perhaps see Psalm 104:8
Outside of religious speculation, Neanderthals predate the arrival of Adam and Eve by hundreds of thousands of years. But there was an indication in the ancient Mesopotamian story of Adam and Eve, adopted by the Hebrews, that Cain feared people out in the world away from his parents tribe. God agreed with him.
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Neanderthals or Neandertals UK /niˈændərˌtɑːl/, us also /neɪ/-, -/ˈɑːndər/-, -/ˌtɔːl/, -/ˌθɔːl/)[3][4] (named after the Valley (=thal) of the Neander River area in Germany) were a species or subspecies of human in the genus Homo which became extinct between 40,000 and 28,000 years ago. They were closely related to modern humans,[5][6] having DNA over 99.5% the same.[7] Remains left by Neanderthals include bone and stone tools, which are found in Eurasia, from Western Europe to Central, Northern, and Western Asia. Neanderthals are generally classified by paleontologists as the species Homo neanderthalensis, having separated from the Homo sapiens lineage 600,000 years ago, or alternatively as a subspecies of Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis).[8][9][10]
Several cultural assemblages have been linked to the Neanderthals in Europe. The earliest, the Mousterian stone tool culture, dates to about 300,000 years ago.[11] Late Mousterian artifacts were found in Gorham's Cave on the south-facing coast of Gibraltar.[12][13]
Neanderthals had a higher volume to surface ratio, with shorter legs and a bigger body, compared to Homo sapiens because they inhabited higher latitudes, in conformance with Bergmann's rule, and their larger stature explains their larger brain size because brain size generally increases with body size.[14] Their average cranial capacity of 1600 cm3,[15] was notably larger than the 1250 - 1400 cm3 average for modern humans, indicating that their brain size was larger. Males stood 164–168 cm (65–66 in) and females 152–156 cm (60–61 in) tall.[16]
The Neanderthal genome project published papers in 2010 and 2014 stating that Neanderthals contributed to the DNA of modern humans, including most non-Africans as well as a few African populations, through interbreeding, likely between 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.[17][18][19] Recent studies also show that a few Neanderthals began mating with ancestors of modern humans long before the large "out of Africa migration" of the present day non-Africans, as early as 100,000 years ago.[20] In 2016 research indicated that modern humans had three distinct interbreeding events with Neanderthals; the first encounter involved the ancestors of all non-African modern humans probably soon after leaving Africa, the second after the ancestral Melanesian group had branched off (and subsequently had a unique breeding event with Denisovans), and the third involving the ancestors of East Asians only.[21][22]
In December 2013, researchers reported evidence that Neanderthals practiced burial behavior and intentionally buried their dead.[23] In addition, scientists reported having sequenced the entire genome of a Neanderthal for the first time. The genome was extracted from the toe bone of a 50,000-year-old Neanderthal found in a Siberian cave.[24][25][26]
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Neanderthals or Neandertals UK /niˈændərˌtɑːl/, us also /neɪ/-, -/ˈɑːndər/-, -/ˌtɔːl/, -/ˌθɔːl/)[3][4] (named after the Valley (=thal) of the Neander River area in Germany) were a species or subspecies of human in the genus Homo which became extinct between 40,000 and 28,000 years ago. They were closely related to modern humans,[5][6] having DNA over 99.5% the same.[7] Remains left by Neanderthals include bone and stone tools, which are found in Eurasia, from Western Europe to Central, Northern, and Western Asia. Neanderthals are generally classified by paleontologists as the species Homo neanderthalensis, having separated from the Homo sapiens lineage 600,000 years ago, or alternatively as a subspecies of Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis).[8][9][10]
Several cultural assemblages have been linked to the Neanderthals in Europe. The earliest, the Mousterian stone tool culture, dates to about 300,000 years ago.[11] Late Mousterian artifacts were found in Gorham's Cave on the south-facing coast of Gibraltar.[12][13]
Neanderthals had a higher volume to surface ratio, with shorter legs and a bigger body, compared to Homo sapiens because they inhabited higher latitudes, in conformance with Bergmann's rule, and their larger stature explains their larger brain size because brain size generally increases with body size.[14] Their average cranial capacity of 1600 cm3,[15] was notably larger than the 1250 - 1400 cm3 average for modern humans, indicating that their brain size was larger. Males stood 164–168 cm (65–66 in) and females 152–156 cm (60–61 in) tall.[16]
The Neanderthal genome project published papers in 2010 and 2014 stating that Neanderthals contributed to the DNA of modern humans, including most non-Africans as well as a few African populations, through interbreeding, likely between 50,000 to 60,000 years ago.[17][18][19] Recent studies also show that a few Neanderthals began mating with ancestors of modern humans long before the large "out of Africa migration" of the present day non-Africans, as early as 100,000 years ago.[20] In 2016 research indicated that modern humans had three distinct interbreeding events with Neanderthals; the first encounter involved the ancestors of all non-African modern humans probably soon after leaving Africa, the second after the ancestral Melanesian group had branched off (and subsequently had a unique breeding event with Denisovans), and the third involving the ancestors of East Asians only.[21][22]
In December 2013, researchers reported evidence that Neanderthals practiced burial behavior and intentionally buried their dead.[23] In addition, scientists reported having sequenced the entire genome of a Neanderthal for the first time. The genome was extracted from the toe bone of a 50,000-year-old Neanderthal found in a Siberian cave.[24][25][26]
Those other books mentioned by the Old Testament weren't gospels, some of them appear to be secular history books as indicated by their titles. Conveniently they disappeared, the only books that did survive were the priestly books.
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The mountains were pushed upward. This is not up for debate. What is open to discussion is how they got where they did.
Some simple rules of physical necessity based on what has to happen to get rocks to where they are rules out the possibility of old ages and any chance of finding evidence of evolution.
6days
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Religious speculation (UB) about pre-adamites is wrong. Science has proven virtually everything wrong that evolutionists once taught about Neandertals. So, don't cling too tightly to your remaining speculations.
Outside of religious dogma is a whole different world. Science has proven the creation story of the Hebrews wrong on so many levels. But the authors and redactors of Genesis weren't scientist, historians or philosophers.
The UB revealed quite a bit about Neanderthals that science is just now proving to be correct.
Sonnet
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No - it's just the way mountains are understood to form - through plate tectonics. The proof came too late for Velikovsky to take account of it.
Plate tectonics is bunk.
It doesn't have a means of power and its concepts are physically impossible.
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Sonnet
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So was geocentrism.
Sonnet
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What would be your issue with plate tectonics/orogeny?
Sonnet
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How high were the mountains at the time of Noah's flood? As today? If so, then that is a colossal amount of water
It doesn't have a means of power and its concepts are physically impossible.
http://kgov.com/plate-tectonics-subduction-does-not-happen