Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
He was already preordained !2
Now lets look at the word redeem in 1 Pet 1:18
18 [FONT=&]Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
lytroō:
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- to release on receipt of ransom
- to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom
- to liberate
- to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom
- to redeem
- to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external
Christ was setup/preordained to redeem from evil, pay the ransom for sin before the world began.
This wasnt because He foresaw something was going to happen outside of Himself, but it was according to what He purposed within Himself in Christ, an Eternal Purpose Eph 1:9
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Eph 3:11
11 According tothe eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
This redemptive purpose in Christ Jesus is Eternal, formed before the creation of the world and Adam ![/FONT]
As you can see Nanja no one wants to discuss what i posted with scripture.
As you can see Nanja no one wants to discuss what i posted with scripture.
All things that have been made that includes some Angels, were made for Christ Salvation. Heb 1:13-14
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Are you saying angels were created before time began?Yes, these angels made for Christ's Salvation were made ministers to God's Election of Grace, who were saved / justified before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 to be heirs of Eternal Life Titus 3:7; Heb. 1:14.
Are you saying angels were created before time began?
Yes, these angels made for Christ's Salvation were made ministers to God's Election of Grace, who were saved / justified before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9 to be heirs of Eternal Life Titus 3:7; Heb. 1:14.
Based on 2 Tim. 1:9 that's a Given !
Nanja
The angels were Created for a Soteriological Purpose involving the Heirs of Salvation.
Heb. 1:13-14
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
In Gods Eternal Purpose which was determined before the world was created Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Within this Purpose God had already determined to gather together all things in Christ Eph 1:9-10
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
So the sin of Adam was purposed by God before the world was created. Adam didn't sin by accident, nor did he sin contrary to Gods will. Adam sinned according to a redemptive purpose in Christ established in God before the world began.
In Gods Eternal Purpose which was determined before the world was created Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Within this Purpose God had already determined to gather together all things in Christ Eph 1:9-10
9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
So the sin of Adam was purposed by God before the world was created. Adam didn't sin by accident, nor did he sin contrary to Gods will. Adam sinned according to a redemptive purpose in Christ established in God before the world began.
nanja
Yes. Believers from every age in heaven and on the earth.are meant !
Christ foreordained before the foundation of the world !
1 Pet 1:18-20
18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Gods Elect were in Gods purpose to be redeemed by Christ's Blood before the foundation of the world. It tells us in vs 20 Christ was foreordained for this redemptive purpose BEFORE the foundation of the world. This means that before adam was created and sinned, Christ was already set up to be manifested in the last times to shed His redeeming Blood.
So why do so many in mans religion believe that it wasnt Gods will for adam to sin according to Gods Eternal purpose in Christ Jesus ? Would God rather not adam to sin even though He had foreordained Christ before the world was created to redeem His elect by His Blood.