the church

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Already answered (Post #1018). Still awaiting your "proof."

Do you wish to have her speak to you about her experiences as a Catholic? How about Skype or a video presentation? What do you want as proof?

 

[Cruciform]

The Catholic church isn't "The Church." The Church is "The Body of Christ."

The biblical teaching regarding the Church can be viewed HERE.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

No, I'm asking you a direct question: Why are you now spamming this thread with one- or two-sentence drive-by posts that have nothing to do with the actual topic under discussion?

We're speaking of your church right? That's the subect correct? If you think I'm disobeying the rules, report me to the Woodshed or just keep quiet.

 

[Cruciform]

Do you wish to have her speak to you about her experiences as a Catholic?

I couldn't care less about her experiences, which are utterly irrelevant with respect to the truth-status of her claims.

What do you want as proof?

I already told you plainly in Post #1018.

 

[Cruciform]

We're speaking of your church right? That's the subect correct? If you think I'm disobeying the rules, report me to the Woodshed or just keep quiet.

So you can't---or, more likely, won't---answer the question. That's what I thought.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Hey, Cruciform, if you're, offended, that's a shame. You must be thin skinned? Perhaps, you ought to place me on ignore or go to another thread that makes you less nervous? We don't want you to have a nervous breakdown.

 

[Cruciform]

Do you worship/pray to idols...

No and no.

...and to Mary?

We only "pray" to Mary and other past Saints in the very specific sense of asking for their intercession on our behalf before the throne of God. We do NOT "pray" to the Saints in the same sense or manner in which we pray to God alone.

Do you deny Mary had other children?

Of course, since this is what Christ's one historic Church has believed and taught from the beginning [SOURCE].

 

[Cruciform]

Hey, Cruciform, if you're, offended, that's a shame.

Who said I'm offended?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Who said I'm offended?

A Martian from the planet Venus that's who. Do You want proof?

 

[Cruciform]

Do you believe that your Pope is infallible while sitting on his throne?

The Bishop of Rome is prevented by the Holy Spirit from teaching formal doctrinal error when he teaches in an official capacity as Pope.

 

[Cruciform]

A Martian from the planet Venus that's who. Do You want proof?

Please.

 

[Cruciform]

Does your church urge you to read the Bible?

All the time, since it is a formal teaching of the Catholic Church. I myself attend two different Bible studies at my particular parish.

 

[Cruciform]

If you were to die tonight, where would your soul be?

Wherever Christ---the Master of life and death---sent it.

 

[Cruciform]

just put grosnick on ignore - as I have

If he continues to crap up peoples' threads with his ridiculously multi-post spamming, I'll have to do that.

 

[Cruciform]

You commented that my friend "knows next to nothing about Catholicism" yet, she was in the Catholic church for many years and she and her family were missionaries in the Catholic church in other countries. She also visited the Vatican and met with Monsignors and Cardinals. I would ask you, have you read "Vatican one and two?"Your resume with the Catholic church doesn't seem to match hers yet you say she knows next to nothing about your church? Now, isn't that interesting?

But hardly surprising. As I said, the Catechism of the Catholic Church contains a summation of Catholic doctrine in its entirety---if the Church teaches it, it will certainly be in there. Just show me, then, where your friend's claims are outlined in the Catechism, and I'll amend my comment. Proof, please.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

No and no.


We only "pray" to Mary and other past Saints in the very specific sense of asking for their intercession on our behalf before the throne of God. We do NOT "pray" to the Saints in the same sense or manner in which we pray to God alone.


Of course, since this is what Christ's one historic Church has believed and taught from the beginning [SOURCE].

Christ's brother James was the first leader of the Jerusalem church. (Not the James of the Sons of Thunder)
Christ gave us an outline of how we were to pray. It begins with; "Our Father which art in Heaven." We're not told to pray to Mary or any Saints. 1 Timothy 2:5 states: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

Romans 8:26 states: "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

Where in the Bible does it say we're to pray to Mary and the saints? Besides, what your church says?

 

[Cruciform]

Yeah, he just can't handle the truth. That's a sign of weakness. He just buries his head in the sand.

Pot, meet Kettle.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

But hardly surprising. As I said, the Catechism of the Catholic Church contains a summation of Catholic doctrine in its entirety---if the Church teaches it, it will certainly be in there. Just show me, then, where your friend's claims are outlined in the Catechism, and I'll amend my comment. Proof, please.

The Catholic Catechism is a man made doctrine that the followers have to abide by.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Catholicism is a cult that brainwashes its Parishioners with man made church doctrine. Why else do they not allow its Parishioners to read the real Bible?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Start reading the "True Bible" from cover to cover and it may set you free from the falsehoods of the Catholic church.