SaulToPaul 2
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How do you figure that you are the sheep?
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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How do you figure that you are the sheep?
I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Eagles Wings
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Yes, he did feed the Christian church, not as a Papist, as an Apostle Of Jesus Christ.
Peter was 'up to' the commission to which he was called.
HisServant
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Yup, and going to Rome wasn't in his commission, since there wasn't a Jewish presence there.
God's Truth
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Catholics could be sheep if they obey Jesus and come out of her.
Sheep are those who obey. Catholics have been taught wrongly, and are taught how not to obey.
Anyone can become as a sheep.
You need to read how the Israelites are called heifers and God said they were NOT sheep. You should read how after they repent they will be forgiven and be like sheep.
In Hosea, the Israelites are like heifers. They are told to repent, and then they would be as lambs.
Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?
Hosea 14:2 Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips.
Did you read that scripture? They come to God and ask for forgiveness, and they are forgiven. Now they are like lambs in a meadow.
We are even told unless we become like little children, we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.
Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?
Maybe some disciplining can take care of that.
Anyone can become as a lamb.
All it takes is humbleness, and obedience.
Jeremiah 31:18
"I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning: 'You disciplined me like an unruly calf, and I have been disciplined. Restore me, and I will return, because you are the LORD my God.
Right Divider
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Why don't you actually READ the scripture?
Jesus was CLEAR about which sheep He was talking about.
Matt 15:24 (AKJV/PCE)
(15:24) But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
God's Truth
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How do you ever get that I did not read the scriptures?
Jesus says those who falsely judge are guilty of what they falsely judge.
I see now that you do not read the scriptures.
Read the scriptures I gave.
The lost sheep are the JEWS WHO ALREADY belonged to God BY FAITH before Jesus came to earth.
The old law DID NOT REQUIRE FAITH!
God cut off and hardened the Jews who did not have faith so that when Jesus came he would center only on those who ALREADY BELONGED TO GOD---they are called the lost sheep of Israel because they did not have a faithful shepherd to lead them---they had NON OBEYING PHARISEES and TEACHERS OF THE LAW.
Jesus came first for those who already belonged to God by faith. When Jesus was crucified---THEN ALL CAN COME TO HIM BY FAITH AND OBEDIENCE.
When Jesus comes again---it will be too late to have faith and obey.
Cruciform
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Yet, Paul ALSO commands that we submit to apostolic Tradition as well. So much, then, for sola scriptura.
Catholics appeal to the authority of Scripture, too. We do not, however, appeal ONLY to Scripture's authority, and neither did the apostles. Thus, sola scriptura is itself simply unbiblical.
So, reading the Bible is unbiblical, I see? :think: ...........:rotfl:
achduke
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Who do you believe the lost sheep of the house of Israel are?
Cruciform
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Your subjectively creative---and wholly imaginary---unsubstantiated interpretations are noted. :yawn:
No thanks, we're good. You may keep your own links. The Protestants would interpret Tradition in light of Scripture, it seems that the Catholic Church does the opposite. Consider the following, "The Second Vatican Council indicates three criteria for interpreting Scripture in accordance with the Spirit who inspired it. 1. Be especially attentive to the content and unity of the whole Scripture.'. . . 2. Read the Scripture within the living Tradition of the whole Church.' . . . 3. Be attentive to the analogy of faith." (Par. 111, 112, 13, 114).
It is number 2 that is the main concern here. What does it mean to read Scripture "within the living Tradition of the whole Church?" If Scripture is "within the living Tradition," then Tradition encompasses Scripture. In other words, it is the tradition of the Church that interprets Scripture. This is in contradiction to the Word of God spoken by Jesus in Matt. 15:1-6.
...The issue in Matt. 15:1-6 is not succession of authority but the traditions of men being used in opposition to the truth of the Word of God. Essentially, the Pharisees were seeing the Word of God "within" their sacred tradition. Jesus, in contrast to this, cited the Word of God to judge their traditions. The apostles, likewise, continuously admonished their people to check their teaching against the Scripture (Acts 17:11), thereby substantiating the position that even what they taught was subject to God's Word. After all, no doctrinal teaching should contradict biblical revelation, and the Sacred Word of God was and is the final authority in all things spiritual. The Catholic Church's position and teaching is based on Sacred Tradition are no different. They must be compared to Scripture. -matt slick
there are many false teachings
-Jesus is not God
-we have no free will
-we do not have to work
-the church will continue to expose them
-Jesus is not God
-we have no free will
-we do not have to work
-the church will continue to expose them
SaulToPaul 2
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Is it okay to bow down to dumb idols?
Cruciform
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Feel free, then, to actually disprove the content of Post #2049 above. No? Didn't think so. Therefore, my statements stand exactly as posted.
Straw Man Fallacy. Yet again, you only put your ignorance on public display.
That's correct, and applies to both the Catholic as well as the Protestant.
No it isn't, since you've confused one form of tradition ("traditions of men") with Apostolic Tradition, which was commanded by the apostles themselves. Please properly educate yourself.
Cruciform
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"...to Scripture" according to whose---what human being's---infallible and authoritative interpretation? Yours? Matt Slick's? Your pastor's? Your favorite TV preacher's?
Every appeal to Scripture is in fact an appeal to some human being's interpretation of Scripture. Whose, then, will it be? Who interprets the Bible infallibly, bindingly, and authoritatively? :think:
God's Truth
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False teachings are found out that they are teaching FALSE TEACHINGS when we compare what they say to the Bible.