the church

[Cruciform]

Catholic apostolic succession is just a myth of a genealogy that give rise to mere speculation which hinders the administration of God which is by faith. It is just another made up Catholic slogan.

Here you're merely parroting what you've been fed by your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect. But we've already learned that your Protestant sect's opinions carry no inherent doctrinal authority whatsoever, and so may simply be dismissed as the fallible traditions of men.

 

[Cruciform]

We have proven many times that neither Jesus nor the Apostles would have approved of the Church they founded being moved to Rome...

Where exactly is that "proof," again...? :yawn:

...the capital of their arch enemy and capital that is cursed for all eternity.

Rome was also the cultural and intellectual capital of the Western world, and nothing in the New Testament says anything whatsoever about Jesus and the apostles disapproving of Rome as a center of Christian faith. In fact, Scripture indicates precisely the opposite (Ac. 23:11; Rom. 1:7, 15). Try again.

You should read your bible for once in your life.

I have read and studied the Bible over the course of my life far more than you have, friend. Don't embarrass yourself.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

 

[chrysostom]

the church teaches:
-redemption
-repentance
-forgiveness
-grace
-work
-mercy

 

[Letsargue]

the church teaches:
-redemption
-repentance
-forgiveness
-grace
-work
-mercy

Why Do You Always S-a-y NOTHING!!!!!

Redemption O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???
Repentance O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???
Forgiveness O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???

PAUL, DAVID -- 060716

 

[chrysostom]

Why Do You Always S-a-y NOTHING!!!!!

Redemption O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???
Repentance O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???
Forgiveness O-F WHAT? "GOOD OR BAD"???

PAUL, DAVID -- 060716

Ephesians 1:7 King James Version (KJV)

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

the church teaches:
-redemption
-repentance
-forgiveness
-grace
-work
-mercy

Where do dumb idols fit in?

 

[TulipBee]

All of that is fascinating (however wrong-headed), but you're off-topic again. The subject of discussion is not what makes one a Christian, or how one is saved, or which Catholic teachings you happen to dislike, but rather which professing Christian group is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. You've already admitted that it cannot be the PCA. Therefore, your preferred man-made sect cannot possibly possess the inherent teaching authority given by Christ to his one historic Church to guide and teach the faithful in his own name and by his very authority (Mt. 28:18-20; Lk. 10:16; 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Jn. 4:6). Your chosen sect can offer nothing more than mere human opinion, the fallible traditions of men.

If sola scriptura don't belong in rcc then it's of topic. The bible is my main source of authority and don't find most your claims in the bible. You've already been refuted on sola scriptura so we won't go there agian. Have a good day

 

[chrysostom]

Where do dumb idols fit in?

the church feeds them

 

[Letsargue]

the church feeds them

((((( N-O -- I-T --- DOESN'T""!!!! )))))

M-A-N!!! -- YOU P-E-O-P-L-E!!!!!!

The ONLY F-O-O-D God Feeds IS HIS "W-O-R-D"!!!!! - NOTHING ELSE!!!!!
(( Luke 22:18-20 KJV ))!!!!!!!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 060716

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

the church feeds them

Can you explain?

 

[HisServant]

Rome was also the cultural and intellectual capital of the Western world, and nothing in the New Testament says anything whatsoever about Jesus.

Which is the #1 reason why it would be anti-Christ for Jesus and the Apostles to approve of Rome. Jesus came to minister to the poor and downtrodden... he did not associate with the rich and powerful. He did not associate with intellectuals and he didn't promote culture. He also didn't care one bit about the Western World.. in fact he basically told Christians to pay Rome off so they could live in peace. It's hard to believe that Jesus would basically tell his followers to pay Mafia protection money.... and the Mafia has continued to take that money, even today. But its called the Vatican now.

And Jesus IS God... and he had a LOT to say about those that would invade and conquer and enslave Israel... and its all curses.

The level of self-deception you exhibit is very disturbing... cult like actually.

Which Jesus do you actually believe in? Because it isn't the Jesus of scripture.

 

[Cruciform]

The bible is my main source of authority...

No it isn't. Rather, your preferred interpretations of the Bible are your authority. Big difference there.

You've already been refuted on sola scriptura...

Exactly where has THIS information supposedly been "refuted"? Post number, please.

 

[Cruciform]

Which is the #1 reason why it would be anti-Christ for Jesus and the Apostles to approve of Rome. Jesus came to minister to the poor and downtrodden... he did not associate with the rich and powerful. He did not associate with intellectuals and he didn't promote culture. He also didn't care one bit about the Western World.. in fact he basically told Christians to pay Rome off so they could live in peace. It's hard to believe that Jesus would basically tell his followers to pay Mafia protection money.... and the Mafia has continued to take that money, even today. But its called the Vatican now.

You're pathologically ignorant. In any case, cite the biblical text which states that "It would be anti-Christ for Jesus and the Apostles to approve of Rome." Chapter-and-verse, please.

 

[chrysostom]

((((( N-O -- I-T --- DOESN'T""!!!! )))))

M-A-N!!! -- YOU P-E-O-P-L-E!!!!!!

The ONLY F-O-O-D God Feeds IS HIS "W-O-R-D"!!!!! - NOTHING ELSE!!!!!
(( Luke 22:18-20 KJV ))!!!!!!!!!!

PAUL, DAVID -- 060716

Jesus ask peter to feed His sheep

 

[TulipBee]

Can you explain?

If a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Church member wants to appeal to this verse to refute Sola Scriptura, then he is shooting himself in the foot because Paul himself says that his writing, which is Scripture, is what the church is to submit to. Furthermore, he is behaving as a Protestant who holds to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura by appealing to the authority of Scripture.

In addition, he is using the authority of Scripture, in a sense, to refute the idea that Scripture has authority over the church. But, we see from Paul's statement in the verse that his letter is there to tell the church how to behave. In other words, the church is to submit to Scripture--not Scripture to the church. It is not the tradition that informs the word of God but the word of God that informs tradition in the church. -slick

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

If a Roman Catholic or Orthodox Church member wants to appeal to this verse to refute Sola Scriptura, then he is shooting himself in the foot because Paul himself says that his writing, which is Scripture, is what the church is to submit to. Furthermore, he is behaving as a Protestant who holds to the doctrine of Sola Scriptura by appealing to the authority of Scripture.

In addition, he is using the authority of Scripture, in a sense, to refute the idea that Scripture has authority over the church. But, we see from Paul's statement in the verse that his letter is there to tell the church how to behave. In other words, the church is to submit to Scripture--not Scripture to the church. It is not the tradition that informs the word of God but the word of God that informs tradition in the church. -slick

I was asking Chrys how dumb idols fit into the church.

 

[patrick jane]

Jesus ask peter to feed His sheep

And Peter wasn't up to it

 

[HisServant]

You're pathologically ignorant. In any case, cite the biblical text which states that "It would be anti-Christ for Jesus and the Apostles to approve of Rome." Chapter-and-verse, please.

Once again, WHO were the apostles and WHO did they minister to? Rome does not fit into what they did, and actually they spoke out about the type of people that Rome exemplified many times.

Jesus and the Apostles could care less about haughty Rome and all the blood it had on its hands, and continued to have for centuries.

Think about it this way. When God allowed Israel to build the Temple.. he did not allow David to do so because he was a man of war and imbued his hands in the blood of his enemy. God rose up his son, Solomon, who was a man of peace and wisdom, to build the temple.

Rome and the Vatican at no time during it's existence has ever been a city of peace... it has ALWAYS been a city of war and imbued itself in the blood of its enemies.

Jesus is the prince of peace, not a general of war. A city based on war could never be his capital city.

 

[TulipBee]

I was asking Chrys how dumb idols fit into the church.

They like to kiss art.
If they kiss my paintings, I would be rich.
Should I do a painting of mary?

 

[Right Divider]

After DBR, Paul got the keys

Not so PJ. Paul's name is not on the twelve foundations of the New Jerusalem.