Brother Ducky
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But how does a slave to sin, dead in his trespasses, unable to understand spiritual things hear and believe the things of God without His first changing the sinner?
The Calvinist Doctrine of Total Depravity, Totally Refuted
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But how does a slave to sin, dead in his trespasses, unable to understand spiritual things hear and believe the things of God without His first changing the sinner?
beloved57
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You know he denies total depravity of the sinners,he gives the sinner the ability of Faith!
You serve a terrible God.
He sends his only begotten Son into the world to be the savior of the world.
And then he hides this from some so that they cannot hear or believe and be saved.
Why would your horrible Calvinist God do this?
He sends his only begotten Son into the world to be the savior of the world.
And then he hides this from some so that they cannot hear or believe and be saved.
Why would your horrible Calvinist God do this?
beloved57
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You know you deny total depravity of the sinner, and you give the sinner the ability of Faith , even though the Bible teaches Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 !
This is what I believe.
"God so loves the world (all of humanity) that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
You are going to perish.
Brother Ducky
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Why would the god of Pope Pate take some of whom are in Christ and reconciled to God re-impute their sins to them and send them to hell? Sounds way meaner to me.
beloved57
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No you don't, you just think you do! [emoji1]
You do a lot of wishful thinking.
beloved57
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John 3:16 says nothing about all humanity, you added to the word of God!
"The world". That's close enough to all humanity for me.
When the word "World" is used, then according to the dictionary it means all of humanity.
beloved57
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The word world in scripture, Kosmos means many things, it means :
VIII.any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
Like Israel falls into that Catagory, The World in Jn 3:16 can be Israel, His Sheep, the Church !
So you lied when you said world in Jn 3:16 is all humanity, It doesnt say that.
If God meant to say that, Jn 3:16 would read:
16 For God so loved all humanity, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Now does it say that ? Yes or No
Brother Ducky
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Let me throw something out to ponder as you pontificate:
John 12:19
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, the world has gone after him."
ESV
Acts 17:6-7
6 And when they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brothers before the city authorities, shouting, "These men who have turned the world upside down have come here also,
ESV
Lets substitute your definition of "world" into these verses:
John 12:19
19 So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are gaining nothing. Look, all of humanity has gone after him."
Pate version
Acts 17:6-7
6 And when they could not find them, they dragged Jason and some of the brothers before the city authorities, shouting, "These men who have turned all of humanity upside down have come here also,
Odd that the Pharisees would comment on all humanity when it does appear that in context they are excluding at least themselves.
And how do you propose that they turned every single individual upside down. Sounds like a all of humanity record for turning people upside down.
You poor lost soul.
You just can't believe that Jesus is the savior of the world can you?
If Jesus can turn water into wine, heal the sick, forgive sins, raise the dead, walk on water, feed 5000, come back from the dead, then why can't you believe that Jesus is the savior of the world?
Brother Ducky
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Not sure why you would refer to me as a lost soul. I am in Christ, reconciled, redeemed etc. etc. etc. And I believe that Jesus is the Savior of the world. I do not believe that the world in this context means all of humanity, but rather Jews and Gentiles, which when added together are the world.
And I think that the verses quoted above with the Pate translation show that the term "world" has at least two meanings. And you, of course, failed to even try to respond in a meaningful way.
And since you hold that not all are saved, you do not really believe that Christ is the savior of all humanity, do you.
Christ died for a "World of lost sinners." However, ONLY those who
hear the Grace Gospel and place their faith in Christ will benefit
from His death and resurrection. The rest will stand before God and
be judged by their works. Subsequently, they will be cast into "The
Lake of Fire" with the devil and his angels. That's where they will
spend eternity.
The "True Believers" will spend eternity in Heaven the moment they
die.
Your opinions don't count. Why? Because you are a "Hyper-Calvinist
Fanatic." You have stated that, God creates ALL sin.
Look at all your Stars !!!!!!!!!!!
Good answer.