beloved57
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Absolutely correct, you are becoming skilled in the word of righteousness Heb 5:13 !
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Absolutely correct, you are becoming skilled in the word of righteousness Heb 5:13 !
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Amen !
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The predestinated are Called and Justified and Glorified !
The predestinated are Called and Justified and Glorified !
There are some who disdain the Gospel Truth of Predestination, but its to their Eternal peril ! The Called of God, Called by the Gospel, is limited to the predestinated, when it comes to Salvation, observe Rom 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
2 Thess 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
They are called to obtain the Glory of Christ which is the same as being Glorified in Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
So thats how valuable Predestination is in the Salvation of God's Elect, If not already Predestinated, there is no Gospel reason to be called nor Justified, and finally Glorified !
The predestinated are Called and Justified and Glorified !
There are some who disdain the Gospel Truth of Predestination, but its to their Eternal peril ! The Called of God, Called by the Gospel, is limited to the predestinated, when it comes to Salvation, observe Rom 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
2 Thess 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
They are called to obtain the Glory of Christ which is the same as being Glorified in Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
So thats how valuable Predestination is in the Salvation of God's Elect, If not already Predestinated, there is no Gospel reason to be called nor Justified, and finally Glorified !
beloved57
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Saved then Called !
Saved then Called !
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
One of the Blessed Truths of the Gospel / Salvation economy, in that its commonly believed by the ignorant and unlearned, that one is first called by the Gospel, and then they need to make a decision to either accept the calling and get saved or remain in a lost state, its up to them; But that is far from the Truth, its a outright lie, the Truth is, first one is saved then called to believe the Gospel, even the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13 !
The text above states that we were saved, then followed by Called. Paul here gives the proper order within the Purpose of God, God saved us then Called us with an Holy Calling, for God does not summons or call unholy and unsaved men with a Holy Callng, thats blasphemous. When God calls us by the Gospel it is inorder that we have Fellowship with His the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
And " for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? "
Paul again makes this order plain in 1 Cor 1:18,23-24
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Now here Paul contrasts to whom the Preaching of the Cross [The Gospel] is foolishness to, and who it is being the Power of God to, now to them that are perishing [in a lost state presently See 2 Cor 4:3] But to them or us who are saved/being saved, it is the Power of God;
and then later down in Vs 23-24 Paul contrasts to whom Preaching Christ is a stumbling and foolishness to, with those to whom its the Power and Wisdom of God.
So now in Vs 18 they are called the saved, but here in Vs 24 they are being called the Called.
So being saved is the foundation of being Called. To the saved, quickened, the Call of the Gospel is both internal and effectual, and it begats activity from the New quickened life implanted, James 1:18,21
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
That word engrafted means rooted so that it may developed, its the opposite of the ones Jesus says this of Lk 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
The Call of the Gospel is only going to be Good News to them that have been saved by a New Birth from above, to such the Holy Spirit has spiritually prepared the regenerated heart for a fruitful and understanding reception of the Gospel Truth Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
The Good Ground is the Saved Heart !
Saved then Called !
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
One of the Blessed Truths of the Gospel / Salvation economy, in that its commonly believed by the ignorant and unlearned, that one is first called by the Gospel, and then they need to make a decision to either accept the calling and get saved or remain in a lost state, its up to them; But that is far from the Truth, its a outright lie, the Truth is, first one is saved then called to believe the Gospel, even the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13 !
The text above states that we were saved, then followed by Called. Paul here gives the proper order within the Purpose of God, God saved us then Called us with an Holy Calling, for God does not summons or call unholy and unsaved men with a Holy Callng, thats blasphemous. When God calls us by the Gospel it is inorder that we have Fellowship with His the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor 1:9
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
And " for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? "
Paul again makes this order plain in 1 Cor 1:18,23-24
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Now here Paul contrasts to whom the Preaching of the Cross [The Gospel] is foolishness to, and who it is being the Power of God to, now to them that are perishing [in a lost state presently See 2 Cor 4:3] But to them or us who are saved/being saved, it is the Power of God;
and then later down in Vs 23-24 Paul contrasts to whom Preaching Christ is a stumbling and foolishness to, with those to whom its the Power and Wisdom of God.
So now in Vs 18 they are called the saved, but here in Vs 24 they are being called the Called.
So being saved is the foundation of being Called. To the saved, quickened, the Call of the Gospel is both internal and effectual, and it begats activity from the New quickened life implanted, James 1:18,21
18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
That word engrafted means rooted so that it may developed, its the opposite of the ones Jesus says this of Lk 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
The Call of the Gospel is only going to be Good News to them that have been saved by a New Birth from above, to such the Holy Spirit has spiritually prepared the regenerated heart for a fruitful and understanding reception of the Gospel Truth Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
The Good Ground is the Saved Heart !
Sort of like Squeaky with a follower.
beloved57
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Saved then Called ! 2
Saved then Called ! 2
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
In the scheme of God's Eternal Purpose, Believers, were Saved in that Purpose; Then were they called in Time by the Gospel. In order to be called by the Gospel as it pertaineth to ones Salvation, we must be already reckoned among the Saved !
This is even more confirmed by the fact that the Gospel is to the saved, the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard[The Call of] the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
They were in possession[your] of Salvation at the Time of the Call they heard !
So believers were saved eternally by the Purpose of God and experimentally by the Spirit of God before they were Called by the Gospel !
Saved then Called ! 2
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
In the scheme of God's Eternal Purpose, Believers, were Saved in that Purpose; Then were they called in Time by the Gospel. In order to be called by the Gospel as it pertaineth to ones Salvation, we must be already reckoned among the Saved !
This is even more confirmed by the fact that the Gospel is to the saved, the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard[The Call of] the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
They were in possession[your] of Salvation at the Time of the Call they heard !
So believers were saved eternally by the Purpose of God and experimentally by the Spirit of God before they were Called by the Gospel !
beloved57
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Saved then Called ! 3
Saved then Called ! 3
In the scheme of our Salvation, the Call of God in Time is pursuant in the accomplishment of God's Predestination concerning us Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified,
Hence if we are of the Election of Grace we shall be Called according to His Purpose and Grace Rom 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Saved then Called ! 3
In the scheme of our Salvation, the Call of God in Time is pursuant in the accomplishment of God's Predestination concerning us Rom 8:30
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified,
Hence if we are of the Election of Grace we shall be Called according to His Purpose and Grace Rom 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
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NANJAH said,
The Called are Justified, made Righteous, by the Death of Christ alone on their behalf.
They were Sanctified, set apart to be holy in the Purpose of God,
before the foundation of the world by their Election in Christ Eph 1:4-5.
So, in time then, they shall believe the Truth: The evidence of being Called.
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I disagree.
God purposed to CALL a group of people.
Many are Called but few are chosen .
Not everyone that God Calls will continue in the Faith.
The Called are Justified, made Righteous, by the Death of Christ alone on their behalf.
They were Sanctified, set apart to be holy in the Purpose of God,
before the foundation of the world by their Election in Christ Eph 1:4-5.
So, in time then, they shall believe the Truth: The evidence of being Called.
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I disagree.
God purposed to CALL a group of people.
Many are Called but few are chosen .
Not everyone that God Calls will continue in the Faith.
beloved57
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Saved then Called ! 4
Saved then Called ! 4
Now the Salvation the Elect experience in Time , by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit and Belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13,14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Joined or followed by with the Call of the Gospel Vs 14
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Note: The Sanctifying Work of the Spirit preceded the Call of the Gospel !
This experience was in accordance to Grace Given them in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9,
So this experience is an aspect of communicated Spiritual Blessings according as they were Chosen in Him [Christ their Head] before the foundation Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why they all receive a Heavenly Call as a result being blessed with all Spiritual Blessings in Heavenly places in Christ,
Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Its that Call of Grace like Pauls was Gal 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Saved then Called ! 4
Now the Salvation the Elect experience in Time , by the Sanctifying Work of the Spirit and Belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13,14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Joined or followed by with the Call of the Gospel Vs 14
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Note: The Sanctifying Work of the Spirit preceded the Call of the Gospel !
This experience was in accordance to Grace Given them in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9,
So this experience is an aspect of communicated Spiritual Blessings according as they were Chosen in Him [Christ their Head] before the foundation Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thats why they all receive a Heavenly Call as a result being blessed with all Spiritual Blessings in Heavenly places in Christ,
Heb 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Its that Call of Grace like Pauls was Gal 1:15
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
beloved57
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Invalid comment !
beloved57
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Preserved in Jesus Christ and Called !
Preserved in Jesus Christ and Called !
Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
The blessing of this verse if we have spiritual eyes and ears, it informs us that the elect of God, those chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4, that while they were enemies and in a state of nature, children of wrath Eph 2:3, that nevertheless they are in Jesus Christ, and are even then being providentially guarded by the power of God, through many seen and unseen dangers that may have deprived them of physical life, this would include any bodily diseaes or bad health issues, in order that they may receive their Calling from God of the Gospel, to the obtaining of the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 2:14
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
John Gill comments on Jude 1:1 preserved and called:
And by the fact they are in Jesus Christ before they are Called by the Gospel, Likewise they are not condemned by God before they are Called by the Gospel simply because there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Preserved in Jesus Christ and Called !
Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
The blessing of this verse if we have spiritual eyes and ears, it informs us that the elect of God, those chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4, that while they were enemies and in a state of nature, children of wrath Eph 2:3, that nevertheless they are in Jesus Christ, and are even then being providentially guarded by the power of God, through many seen and unseen dangers that may have deprived them of physical life, this would include any bodily diseaes or bad health issues, in order that they may receive their Calling from God of the Gospel, to the obtaining of the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ 2 Thess 2:14
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
John Gill comments on Jude 1:1 preserved and called:
And by the fact they are in Jesus Christ before they are Called by the Gospel, Likewise they are not condemned by God before they are Called by the Gospel simply because there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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Many are called, but few are chosen.
beloved57
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Post 193, did you understand the points I made ?
Nanja
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"Providentially guarded by the power of God". So true! I can personally attest to that fact,
when looking back as far as I can remember, and seeing how God provided, and is to this day,
providing protection in so many situations; and how all the events and people brought into my life
were, and are, perfectly arranged according to His Will and Purpose.
We serve an Awesome God!
Excellent comments below: underlining and highlighting are mine:
His Elect walk after the Spirit, because they have been given His Spirit Gal. 4:6; Eph. 1:13
("sealing" denotes they belong to Him: His Sons!)
Yes, and these are the same ones spoken of in:
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me,
hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
They cannot come under condemnation because they were already eternally sanctified /set apart
when they were chosen/elected in Christ by The Father and given to Christ to be His Bride John 17:6;
His Church that He gave His Life for Eph. 5:25.
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beloved57
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Amen Sister!
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Calling a Blessing out of Redemption !
Calling a Blessing out of Redemption !
One of the the sure blessings as a result/effect of Christ's redemptive death for His Sheep, its that they shall partake of a Spiritual Calling of the Holy Ghost, an internal calling wherein they hear the voice of their once crucified and now risen Saviour Shepherd, lets not forget that Christ rose as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
And so thats why the Call goes out to the Sheep ! Here is proof that He issues the special call to His Sheep and they hear His call and follow Him Jn 10:3-4
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
A couple of things here about this call to His Sheep, Its an effectual irresistable call, for its stated in Vs 3 that "He leadeth them out"; and this has some reference to calling them out of, or leading them out of darkness 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
The word called here is the same exact word for call in Jn 10:3
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Lets not forget that Peter refers to them He wrote to as Sheep 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
So its the Sheep again being referred to in 1 Pet 2:9 who were called out of darkness !
Now also in Jn 10:4 to show the efficasiousness of this Call it says that " He putteth forth His own Sheep" What does this mean ? Its the greek words ek balē:
I throw (cast, put) out; I banish; I bring forth, produce.
to compel one to depart
to command or cause one to depart in haste
with the implication of force overcoming opposing force; to cause a thing to move straight on to its intended goal:
The world, flesh and devil are opposing forces the Sheep must overcome to come out of darkness !
Its that Call where Jesus calls His People/Sheep effectively out of false doctrine and religion Rev 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Gods People and Sheep are the same Ps 100:3
Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
This is a call that cannot be resisted Mk 1:12
12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
Hence all for whom Christ died, His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 shall partake of this effectual call of the Holy Ghost !
Calling a Blessing out of Redemption !
One of the the sure blessings as a result/effect of Christ's redemptive death for His Sheep, its that they shall partake of a Spiritual Calling of the Holy Ghost, an internal calling wherein they hear the voice of their once crucified and now risen Saviour Shepherd, lets not forget that Christ rose as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
And so thats why the Call goes out to the Sheep ! Here is proof that He issues the special call to His Sheep and they hear His call and follow Him Jn 10:3-4
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
A couple of things here about this call to His Sheep, Its an effectual irresistable call, for its stated in Vs 3 that "He leadeth them out"; and this has some reference to calling them out of, or leading them out of darkness 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
The word called here is the same exact word for call in Jn 10:3
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
Lets not forget that Peter refers to them He wrote to as Sheep 1 Pet 2:25
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
So its the Sheep again being referred to in 1 Pet 2:9 who were called out of darkness !
Now also in Jn 10:4 to show the efficasiousness of this Call it says that " He putteth forth His own Sheep" What does this mean ? Its the greek words ek balē:
I throw (cast, put) out; I banish; I bring forth, produce.
to compel one to depart
to command or cause one to depart in haste
with the implication of force overcoming opposing force; to cause a thing to move straight on to its intended goal:
The world, flesh and devil are opposing forces the Sheep must overcome to come out of darkness !
Its that Call where Jesus calls His People/Sheep effectively out of false doctrine and religion Rev 18:4
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Gods People and Sheep are the same Ps 100:3
Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
This is a call that cannot be resisted Mk 1:12
12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
Hence all for whom Christ died, His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 shall partake of this effectual call of the Holy Ghost !
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Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
(14) Many are called.—(See Note on Matthew 20:16.) The “calling” answers, both verbally and in substance, to the “bidding” or invitation of the parable. The “chosen” are those who both accept the invitation and comply with its condition; those who, in the one parable, work in the vineyard, and in the other, array themselves with the wedding garment of holiness. The “choice,” as far as the parable is concerned, appears as dependent upon the answer given to the calling. The further truth of an election “according to the foreknowledge of God the Father” (1Peter 1:2) is not here within view, but it follows necessarily on the assumption of that foreknowledge. The “choice,” which in the parable comes as the close of all, must be thought of as having been present to the mind of the All-knowing from all eternity. No one can fix time limits for the thoughts of God, and say that at such a time a purpose came into His mind as it comes into the minds of men. We are compelled in such matters to use anthropomorphic language, but we should remember, as we do so, its necessary limitations.
Without His grace and mercy, we could not choose Him. Because He first chose us, before we chose Him.
1 John 4:19 we -- we love Him, because He -- He first loved us; [YLT]
beloved57
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Did you understand the points i made in the post you quoted?
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