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Amen, and thank you DJ.
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Amen, and thank you DJ.
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You are nothing like Christ.
Dan Emanuel
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don't let a few bad apples spoil the bunch. i read your posts and don't judge you. i'm not trying to make friends, just being myself. i love hockey and Canada and i think you are polite and respectful, but i really haven't seen very much from you. what'a the deal with all the million plus dollar houses up there ? (Love It or List It show)
And thank God we are reconciled to Christ as enemies and when the Father looks at us he sees his perfect Son.
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Being reconciled while enemies means we Gentiles did not have to get circumcised first before being saved.
The Gentiles were the enemies.
Colossians 2:13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
No, trinitarian, not Sabellian, not Arian, not polytheist.
Huh? I am saying He was genuinely tempted like us. It was real temptation that He could have yielded to (He had a will and mind as a personal human being), but DID NOT (so, fully sinless then, now, forever). Will not is not cannot.
There are a variety of modalistic views. Can you clarify how Jesus is the Father? Is God unipersonal? Jesus/God/one person just as Father/Son/Holy Spirit names/titles, but not chronological distinction (Father in OT, Son on earth; HS in church age like some vs all modalists believe)?
When a Christian leader is caught in adultery, does God see the person sinning or just sees Jesus and not us?
Why on earth do you call me a modalist and a non-trinitarian? AMR is a strong trinitarian and he has never made your stupid mistake about my views.
I have refuted modalism (Sabellianism/Oneness/modal monarchianism) for 35 years. I have refuted Arianism (JW/Unitarian) for 35 years.
I have always embraced traditional, biblical, historical, orthodox trinitarianism and have defended/proclaimed it.
This trinitarian apologist reflects my views as do any creeds, councils, theology books, etc. that are trinitarian.
http://irr.org/biblical-basis-of-doctrine-of-trinity
Integrity and credibility demands that you remove my name from your silly list and give a public apology to myself.
musterion
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We seem to agree that He never sinned, so that is beside the point here.
Unless I read you wrong, you said His temptation was invalid and pointless (a sham) if He had been literally unable to yield to it. Apparently, that premise has led you to conclude that, at least potentially, Christ was able to yield to it and sin.
The problem is, Satan also apparently assumed that He could have sinned, given the right temptation, which would have disqualified Him as the spotless Lamb. You appear to assume the same thing about Him that Satan did.
Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.
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Just wondering why you are labeled a modalist.
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God the Father is Spirit and He lives in unapproachable light.
God made Himself the First, the resurrected body of the Man Jesus as His own body.
Jesus is God with a body before coming to earth, the body through whom all things were made. Then God gave up that body and became Man with a flesh body.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God that goes forth and without limit.
Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit.
Now would you like to explain more what you believe?
Satan is not wrong about everything. He believes God exists and trembles, but does not have trust in Him.
Temptation of a robot is specious. The issue is not primarily what you say, but the genuine humanity of Christ that does not negate His Deity. Sin is volitional, not genetic, moral, not metaphysical.
It is not praiseworthy if a robot cannot sin. It is praiseworthy if a moral agent (God is the ultimate free moral agent being personal) can sin, but does not.
The bottom line for both of us is that He did not sin and never will sin.
You, me, and my worms. I am strictly trinitarian, not Arian, not modalist, not polytheist.
Sheesh.:surf: The problem is serpent dove's lack of critical thinking, not my views.
Within the one eternal, uncreated spirit nature/substance/essence/being of God are 3 personal distinctions/conscious centers who are co-equal, co-eternal, co-essential.
The Father is YHWH/God, the Son is YHWH, the Holy Spirit is God.
Yet, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the HS, the HS is not the Father.
There are not 3 gods, not merely 3 modes/offices/titles, but ONE God (nature) with 3 personal distinctions (not beings/not 3 natures/gods like Mormon tritheism).
This is revelation, not raw reason. It is not a contradiction, but God's self revelation. (see the Bowman link previously for biblical support of these principles). It is based on cumulative evidence with Arian and modalistic proof texts being answered in light of all relevant verses and a proper understanding of God as compound unity vs unipersonal/solitary being, incarnation, etc.
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Distinct means different.
There is nothing different about God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit.
That is right.
The Father is the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are One and the same.
You bring up Mormonism and it has NOTHING to do with anything we are talking about.
You sound like any other Catholic trinitarian.
How do you think you are different than any trinitarian?
Who said I was different than other trinitarians? There are nuanced theories and speculations, but we agree on the gist (same with kenosis understandings).
I am defining positively and negatively. The trinity is not 3 gods (that is Mormonism), but it is one God (nature) and 3 'divine persons' (not finite persons).
You confuse nature and person which even the creeds remind us not to do.
I am defining positively and negatively. The trinity is not 3 gods (that is Mormonism), but it is one God (nature) and 3 'divine persons' (not finite persons).
You confuse nature and person which even the creeds remind us not to do.