Tet and Godrulz at dinner
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atrol:Sin is volitional and involves mind and will. Jesus was tempted (no temptation if not possible to resist or yield, just robotics), yet without sin. We are tempted and yield to sin. A denial of will and mind is a denial of the genuine humanity of Christ. Deity also has will and mind. God and the incarnate Christ would never sin, but will not is not cannot. They are praiseworthy because they are personal and righteous, not because they are the Unmoved Mover of Aristotle and Aquinas.
It is a moot point since Jesus was sinless, never sinned, never will sin and we all are sinners in need of a sinless Saviour. Those who think I am a heretic or denying the trinity, Deity of Christ, incarnation, sinlessness of Christ, etc. are theologically unsophisticated and not using critical thinking skills.
As a reminder GodRulz is number 28 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
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Godrulz
Godrulz does believe that Jesus is God and so ought not to be on the heretic list
Jesus is God incarnate, the Word made flesh, co-equal, co-eternal, co-essential with the Father and Holy Spirit.
Jesus is, was, will be sinless, unlike fallen men.
The issue is philosophically influenced Aquinas/Aristotle 'being' stuff relating to ontology/metaphysics vs biblical moral issues that are volitional, personal. In affirming the full Deity of Christ, we should not deny His genuine humanity.
musterion
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Make Hebrews 4:15 the starting point of your reasoning on this because emphasizes that He was tempted just as we are. For that to mean anything, it must mean that His temptation was not a sham but 100% valid, and that entirely apart from His possible responses to it.
Someone once pointed out that the fact He could not sin is precisely what made His temptations even greater than those which we face: as you pointed out, at least we have the outlet of giving in to the desires of the flesh, and more often than not, that's what humans will do to relieve the pressure of temptation. He did not, and I believe it's because He could not. If that's true, the fact that He could not wouldn't have lessened or cancelled the reality of the temptations and testing He faced. It would have made them worse.
Welcome back. :chuckle:
God's Truth
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A modalist believes Jesus is God, which shows you are a false accuser of the brethren.
As a reminder GodRulz is number 28 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
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Godrulz
You should be more careful how you judge.
You also put me on the heretic list for not believing Jesus is God and for being a modalist.
I believe Jesus is God and I am not a modalist.
You are in no position to judge anyone.
By the way, you should have been reprimanded for putting devil horns on another poster's picture; because of people such as yourself is why I do not post my picture or try to make friends with anyone here.
God's Truth
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Are you a modalist?
Dan Emanuel
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Yes you are. Unless you've changed you're view recently. 'Last I knew, you are a modalist. For you they're is no distinction between the Father, Son and Spirit. They are all the same to you.
I think its because your a man whose got most of the board convinced that your a woman --without actually confirming or denying it --and your not sure yet how to play this hand, so your biding you're time. Your sizing up you're enemy's, and picking you're spot.
Thats why you won't post a picture. Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me its not because your a man. Go on.
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musterion
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I go by what the Word says in Hebrews, that He was tempted at all points as we are, yet without sin. Clearly, He must have felt whatever being "tempted at all points" evokes in men, else it's being pointed out makes no sense. If you want to go beyond that, do so. But the writer did not say, "He was tempted at all points as we are, but it wasn't really temptation," which is what you (for reasons I can't begin to guess) have eisegeted into it.
God's Truth
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Modalists say Jesus is God but that God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son and the Holy Spirit do NOT exist at the same time.
I do not believe like that.
Jesus is God the Father, but they DO all three exist at the same time.
All I want to do is tell people how they could have a miraculous experience with Jesus Christ.
I have been banned for trying to speak in a friendly way to others here. I am glad that my accusers do not know for sure if I am a man or a woman. People here try to tell me I am not saved, yet they do not know if I am a man or a woman!
Jesus is not the Father. The Father is not the Son. Neither the Father nor the Son are the Holy Spirit. :dizzy:
As a reminder God's Truth is number 39 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
Dan Emanuel
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As a reminder Dan Emanuel is number 12 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in "The 'Jesus is not God' people (Non-trinitarians) category. :burnlib:
God's Truth
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Your category is evil and false.
Jesus is God, and Jesus is the Father.
There is only one God and He is the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Ephesians 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.