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fact : you don't have any evidence of masks preventing wuflu ,scientifically speaking.Well, no, but you carry on with whatever makes you feel better about not wearing them.
fact : you don't have any evidence of masks preventing wuflu ,scientifically speaking.Well, no, but you carry on with whatever makes you feel better about not wearing them.
I've never even implied that laws are based on vague and abstract ideas but rather, common sense. This is why we have the laws we do, even if on occasion (as with the fighting in war and being unable to drink) I happen to disagree with them. In the main, however, they are practical and are for the common good of society. Society should also be protected from extremist, religious laws that infringe upon civil liberty and personal freedom. If you believe that executing people for having homosexual relationships is righteous or that non married couples should be punished then that is indeed your prerogative and I support your freedom of expression on such. In no way should that be forced on society as a whole in terms of law however.This is a classic cop-out when someone has no foundation for their idea.
Our laws are not based on vague and abstract ideas.
Laws like those against murder are not based on vague and abstract ideas.
Is there no common sense there?
Our countries laws are based on Biblical principles.
Common sense is a vague abstraction and not something that can be used to base absolute moral laws like that against murder.
God thinks otherwise, but I understand that you don't think that He has any place in the law.
"Wuflu"? Oh, grow up...fact : you don't have any evidence of masks preventing wuflu ,scientifically speaking.
kung flufact : you don't have any evidence of masks preventing wuflu ,scientifically speaking.
you know the virus from wuhan"Wuflu"? Oh, grow up...
Not personally no and I reiterate my last.you know the virus from wuhan
like mers = middle east ...
fact : you don't have any evidence of masks preventing wuflu ,scientifically speaking.
Wumonia , chop flueykung flu
That was hilarious, seriously.Wumonia , chop fluey
No, you don't. A reasonable person doesn't buy into a narrative simply because it suits their bias. Meanwhile, I will continue to wear them despite the inconvenience.I reiterate you have no evidence , while I have enough evidence
to convince a reasonable person that masks don't work
but you don't let facts get in the way of your fake news
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Once again the cop-out. You cannot clearly define "common sense" as a foundation for any judgement to form laws.I've never even implied that laws are based on vague and abstract ideas but rather, common sense.
Nobody is arguing against just laws for the common good of society. The question is how are those determined. You continued appeal to the undefinable "common sense" does not work no matter how many time you repeat it.This is why we have the laws we do, even if on occasion (as with the fighting in war and being unable to drink) I happen to disagree with them. In the main, however, they are practical and are for the common good of society.
And you believe that God has no say in what defines sexual perversion. That is your fundamental problem, you oppose God.Society should also be protected from extremist, religious laws that infringe upon civil liberty and personal freedom.
God disagrees with you.If you believe that executing people for having homosexual relationships is righteous or that non married couples should be punished then that is indeed your prerogative and I support your freedom of expression on such. In no way should that be forced on society as a whole in terms of law however.
Why do you ignore the data as if it does not exist?No, you don't. A reasonable person doesn't buy into a narrative simply because it suits their bias. Meanwhile, I will continue to wear them despite the inconvenience.
How is it a "cop out"? How is it not common sense to have laws in society that prohibit murder?! Does the reasoning honestly need spelling out?Once again the cop-out. You cannot clearly define "common sense" as a foundation for any judgement to form laws.
Nobody is arguing against just laws for the common good of society. The question is how are those determined. You continued appeal to the undefinable "common sense" does not work no matter how many time you repeat it.
And you believe that God has no say in what defines sexual perversion. That is your fundamental problem, you oppose God.
God disagrees with you.
I don't. There's enough evidence to suggest that mask wearing helps. It's not going to eradicate the virus or anything obviously, but even if it reduces the infection rate by even by a tiny percentage then I will continue to wear them and not whine about it.Why do you ignore the data as if it does not exist?
You cannot use "common sense" to create laws. That was my point. Laws are NOT based on "common sense".How is it a "cop out"? How is it not common sense to have laws in society that prohibit murder?! Does the reasoning honestly need spelling out?
Logic cannot be use to determine that murder is wrong. It requires more than that.They're determined through reason, logic and common sense which should be blatantly apparent and without need of explanation.
You have an obsession with the term "far right". I am not a "spokesperson for God", but you are a hypocrite as you put yourself in that place. God says that sexual perversion is wrong, but you say otherwise. Who should I believe? You or God? I'll go with God.As to your latter, no. I don't accept the far right religious position that you exhibit and as much as you might consider yourself to be a spokesperson for God, I'm not obliged to accept what you think would constitute a "Godly government".
Nope. I've demonstrated no such thing.Furthermore, this is moving away from the context of my initial reply to Clete that you decided to weigh in on, that being his postulation that it's the "left" that supports government interference and usurping of freedom. You've demonstrated, ironically, that's it's people like you on the far right that support that.
You were shown the data and you continue to IGNORE it. Here is the same data for Japan from another source.I don't. There's enough evidence to suggest that mask wearing helps.
Head in the sand.... got it.It's not going to eradicate the virus or anything obviously, but even if it reduces the infection rate by even by a tiny percentage then I will continue to wear them and not whine about it.
Of course they are. No functioning society would allow killing with abandon, for obvious reasons. Of course, murder is wrong for moral and ethical reasons, the same as rape, child molestation etc. Therefore, it is "common sense" that these things be crimes...You cannot use "common sense" to create laws. That was my point. Laws are NOT based on "common sense".
Logic cannot be use to determine that murder is wrong. It requires more than that.
You have an obsession with the term "far right". I am not a "spokesperson for God", but you are a hypocrite as you put yourself in that place. God says that sexual perversion is wrong, but you say otherwise. Who should I believe? You or God? I'll go with God.
Nope. I've demonstrated no such thing.
No, not at all and you're free to lap up anything you want if it makes you feel better. In the meantime, I will continue to wear masks, not just because it's a mandate but because I don't want to spread an infection about for the sake of some personal inconvenience.You were shown the data and you continue to IGNORE it. Here is the same data for Japan from another source.
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They were praised on June 6th, 2020 for having used masks to handle the problem and YET look at what happened after that.
Head in the sand.... got it.
AB ... why must you be so dense? Common sense is NOT the foundation of these laws.Of course they are. No functioning society would allow killing with abandon, for obvious reasons. Of course, murder is wrong for moral and ethical reasons, the same as rape, child molestation etc. Therefore, it is "common sense" that these things be crimes...
I don't lap up data. I respect the fact that data tells a story that you don't like and therefore you reject it despite its obviously contrary indication to your preferred and false story.No, not at all and you're free to lap up anything you want if it makes you feel better.
Good for you... head in the sand... got it.In the meantime, I will continue to wear masks, not just because it's a mandate but because I don't want to spread an infection about for the sake of some personal inconvenience.