Standing Up To Rome

JosephR

JosephR

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My mom had me baptized an infant into the Roman Catholic Church in 1944;
and when old enough; enrolled me in catechism where I eventually
completed First Holy Communion and Confirmation.

My aunt and uncle were Catholics, their son is a Catholic, one of my half
brothers is now a semi retired Friar. My father-in-law was a Catholic, as was
my mother-in-law. Everybody alive on my wife's side are Catholics; her
aunts and uncles, and her cousins. My sister-in-law was a nun for a number
of years before falling out with the hierarchy that controlled her order.

I have things to thank the Church for. It instilled within me an unshakable
confidence in the Holy Bible as a reliable authority in all matters pertaining
to faith and practice. It also instilled within me a trust in the integrity of
Jesus Christ. Very early in my youth; I began to believe that Christ knew
what he was talking about and meant what he said.

I was very proud to be affiliated with Roman Catholicism, and confident as
all get out that it is the one true Christian religion. Some Catholics see red
whenever the Church is criticized and/or critiqued, but I never did. Some
Catholics see criticism and/or critique of the Church's beliefs and practices as
hatred for Catholics. I have never understood that mentality.

Ironically, one of the Church's enemies, the Jehovah's Witnesses, sometimes
react the same way when somebody criticizes and/or critiques the Watch
Tower Society. For some odd reason, it translates in their minds as hatred
for Jehovah's Witnesses. I think some people have trouble telling the
difference between a sport and a sport's fans; if you know what I mean.

Oddly, though I was confident that the Bible is a reliable authority in all
matters pertaining to faith and practice; I had never actually sat down and
read it. A co-worker in a metal shop where I worked as a welder in 1968
suggested that I buy one and see for myself what it says.

Everything went smoothly till I got to the New Testament, and in no time at
all I began to realize that Rome does not always agree with the Holy Bible;
nor does it always agree with Christ. Well; that was not cool with me
because I was, and still am, confident that the Holy Bible is a reliable
authority in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, and that Christ knew
what he was talking about and meant what he said.

Well; I soon became confronted with a very serious decision. Do I continue
to follow Rome and its hierarchy, or do I switch to following Christ and the
Holy Bible?

The decision was a no-brainer due to my confidence in the Holy Bible as a
reliable authority in all matters pertaining to faith and practice; and due to
my trust in Jesus Christ's integrity-- that he knew what he was talking about
and meant what he said. So here I am today 47 years later still a Protestant.

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protestant is a flavor of rome that most like.. its seems different,,but the after taste, like bad whiskey.. is the same..YOU ARE ROME
 
WeberHome

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At the epicenter of New Testament Christianity is a man named Jesus Christ.
But at the epicenter of Catholicism is the woman who gave birth to him. It's
just a shame that the Christ of New Testament Christianity has to compete
with his own mother for the loyalties and affections of people passing
themselves off as his faithful followers.

†. John 12:32 . . And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men
unto [not my mother] me.

†. Matt 17:5 . .While Peter was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped
them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with
him I am well pleased. You listen [not to his mother] to him!"

†. Matt 28:18 . .Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven
and on earth has been given [not to my mother] to me."

†. John 14:6 . . "I (not my mother) am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.

†. Dan 7:13-14 . . In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was
one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the
Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory
and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language
worshiped [not his mother] him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion
that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

†. Phlp 2:8-11 . . And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself,
and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore
God also hath highly exalted [not his mother] him, and given [not his
mother] him a name which is above every name (every name includes his
mother's name): that at the name of Jesus every knee (every knee includes
his mother's knees) should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth,
and things under the earth; And that every tongue (every tongue includes
his mother's tongue) should confess that Jesus Christ [not his mother] is
Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

†. Col 1:18-19 . . And he [not his mother] is the head of the body, the
church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things
he [not his mother] might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father
that in him [not his mother] should all fullness dwell

†. 1Tim 2:5 . . For there is one God. There is also one mediator between
God and the human race, Christ Jesus (not his mother), himself (not herself)
human,

†. Heb 9:15 . . he (not his mother) is mediator of a new covenant:

†. Heb 12:24 . . Jesus, (not his mother) the mediator of a new covenant,

Rome's disgraceful infatuation with Joseph's wife is nothing less than
heathen paganism; plain and simple.

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everready

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Only in the same sense in which, when you ask someone to pray for you, you "go through" that person to get to Jesus.
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That's not what Gods word says, you've been hoodwinked:

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.



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Cruciform

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everready said:
That's not what Gods word says, you've been hoodwinked:

Hebrews 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
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Now go ahead and explain exactly how these verses supposedly somehow contradict the concept of intercessory prayer.
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The "Catechism" or the RCC is so full of double talk and nonsense that it's just amazing that anyone actually claims to believe it.

Second Vatican Council: “Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix and Mediatrix. This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from, nor adds anything to, the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator.” (Lumen Gentium, n. 62.)
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So Mary is the Mediatrix, but not.

It's just full of doctrines of demons.
 
everready

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Cruciform said:
Now go ahead and explain exactly how these verses supposedly somehow contradict the concept of intercessory prayer.
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16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Us means us believers.

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everready

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Cruciform said:
QUESTION: Does the Bible teach and encourage the practice of intercessory prayer, yes or no?
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No, not in this case, in the beginning sin separated us from God, Jesus brought us together, now we can go straight to him no interssesor needed, no matter what those folks in Rome have been feeding you.

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WeberHome

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Christ's believing followers don't pray to his mom because the spirit of God's
son compels them to pray elsewhere.

†. Gal 4:6 . . And because you are sons, God has sent forth the spirit of His
son into your hearts calling out: Abba! Father.

Abba is an Aramaic word that means, among other things, dad, daddy, pop,
papa, padre, dada, or father, et al. Abba isn't a formal title; it's a filial
vocative. For example: when I'm out in the garage working, and my son and
his mother are in the kitchen talking about me, the noun "dad" merely tells
my wife who my son is talking about. But when he wants to get my attention
by calling out: Dad! Where are you? Then "dad" is a vocative.

Anyway; what it boils down to is this: the spirit of God's son always compels
Christ's believing followers to call out to his Father, never to his mother, and
the reason for that is actually quite simple. Christ always prays to his
Father; never to his mother; ergo: the Father's children exhibit the very
same behavior because the spirit of Christ compels them to pray like he
does.

That, by the way, is a pretty good litmus test. If somebody is comfortable
praying to Christ's mom, they give away the fact that they lack the spirit of
God's son; which means of course that they have not yet undergone
adoption into His home.

†. Rom 8:15-16 . . For you have not received a spirit of bondage again to
fear; but you have received a spirit of adoption, whereby we call out: Abba!
Father.

The Bible says to pray in the Spirit (Eph 6:18, Jude 1:20). When people pray
in the Spirit; they pray in accordance with Gal 4:6 and Rom 8:15. In other
words: they don't pray to Christ's mother; they pray to his Father.

Bottom line: God's kin should feel an overwhelming compulsion to pray to
their adoptive Father without their having to be told to. It should come
naturally (so to speak), just as naturally as it came to Jesus. And they
should feel an equally overwhelming revulsion praying to somebody else.

So then, people with a habit of praying to celestial beings, and/or ordinary
human beings like Christ's mom and departed saints, obviously have neither
the spirit of God's son in their heart, nor the spirit of adoption. No, the spirit
in their heart compels them to heresy and heathen paganism.

†. Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the spirit of Christ, he does not
belong to Christ.

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Cruciform

Cruciform

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everready said:
No, not in this case, in the beginning sin separated us from God, Jesus brought us together, now we can go straight to him no interssesor needed, no matter what those folks in Rome have been feeding you.
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Why, then, did the apostle Paul instruct the early Christians to pray for himself and one another?
 
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