Standing Up To Jehovah's Witnesses

WeberHome

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My first encounter with a Watchtower Society missionary (a.k.a. Jehovah's
Witness) occurred in 1969. At the time I was young and naïve, and thus
assumed that the hewer of wood, and hauler of water coming down the
driveway was a fellow born-again Christian. But when I talked this over with
a church elder he became alarmed; and urged me to read a little book titled
30 Years A Watchtower Slave by William J. Schnell; whom the Society at one
time demonized as an agent of Satan. I would not be surprised if it still
does.

After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards
steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
No doubt the Society demonizes Mr. Martin too.

Around late 1980, my wife and I attended a series of classes sponsored by a
local church titled "How To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses". The instructor
(call him Pete) was an ex Witness who had been in the Watch Tower Society
system for near three decades and was a wide-area manager before
terminating his association with the Society; so he knew the ins and outs of
its doctrines pretty good.

Pete didn't train us to hammer the Society's missionaries in a discussion
because even if you best them scripture for scripture, rebuttal for rebuttal,
and refute for refute, they will not give up on the Society. Their mind's
unflinching premise is that the Society is right even when it can be easily
proven wrong.

1• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never ever
assume they are your friends because first and foremost, these people are
recruiters. Their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watch Tower Society.

2• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back later and
discuss it with you; thus taking control of the meeting.

3• Don't give them a chance to launch into their spiel, but immediately begin
introducing your own questions; thus denying them control of the
conversation

4• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product-- you're
herald; viz: a messenger; that's all. The goal is to show missionaries that
the Society's isn't the only expert opinion out there. In other words: the
Watchtower Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo
ipso the right interpretations just because they say so.

5• Do not get embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays, Easter, Christmas,
Christmas trees, blood transfusions, the design of the wooden device upon
which Christ was crucified, saluting the flag, service in the military, and that
sort of thing. There are much bigger fish to fry than those.

6• Force them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if you have
to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap your fingers, or raise your
voice. Do not let them digress, change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor
get distracted and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking.

7• Do not permit them to butt in and/or talk out of turn. Politely, but firmly,
insist that they remain silent until you are finished speaking.

8• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions. They
sometimes say that they will have to confer with someone more
knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is over. Thank them politely
for their time and then ask them to leave and come back when they have
the information. Do not let them stay and start a new topic of their own.

9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

Later on, I read a book titled Why I Left The Jehovah's Witnesses by Ted
Dencher and eventually purchased a copy of the Society's Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures to use in my discussions with
missionaries because it is the one Bible that they cannot challenge; nor dare
to challenge. I also read and studied the Society's little brown book titled
Reasoning From The Scriptures.

From all that vetting, study, and training I quickly discovered that although
the Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases, those terms and phrases mean something entirely different in
Society-speak than what you'd expect. So your first challenge in dealing with
a Watch Tower missionary is to scale the semantics barrier; and that by
itself is an Herculean task.

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CherubRam

New member
I have studied with, and spoken to Jehovah Witnesses; and I do not have a clue as to what you are saying. What they say and is also what other congregations say and do. Try giving some specifics.
 

musterion

Well-known member
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My first encounter with a Watchtower Society missionary (a.k.a. Jehovah's
Witness) occurred in 1969. At the time I was young and naïve, and thus
assumed that the hewer of wood, and hauler of water coming down the
driveway was a fellow born-again Christian. But when I talked this over with
a church elder he became alarmed; and urged me to read a little book titled
30 Years A Watchtower Slave by William J. Schnell; whom the Society at one
time demonized as an agent of Satan. I would not be surprised if it still
does.

After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards
steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
No doubt the Society demonizes Mr. Martin too.

Around late 1980, my wife and I attended a series of classes sponsored by a
local church titled "How To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses". The instructor
(call him Pete) was an ex Witness who had been in the Watch Tower Society
system for near three decades and was a wide-area manager before
terminating his association with the Society; so he knew the ins and outs of
its doctrines pretty good.

Pete didn't train us to hammer the Society's missionaries in a discussion
because even if you best them scripture for scripture, rebuttal for rebuttal,
and refute for refute, they will not give up on the Society. Their mind's
unflinching premise is that the Society is right even when it can be easily
proven wrong.

1• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never ever
assume they are your friends because first and foremost, these people are
recruiters. Their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watch Tower Society.

2• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back later and
discuss it with you; thus taking control of the meeting.

3• Don't give them a chance to launch into their spiel, but immediately begin
introducing your own questions; thus denying them control of the
conversation

4• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product-- you're
herald; viz: a messenger; that's all. The goal is to show missionaries that
the Society's isn't the only expert opinion out there. In other words: the
Watchtower Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo
ipso the right interpretations just because they say so.

5• Do not get embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays, Easter, Christmas,
Christmas trees, blood transfusions, the design of the wooden device upon
which Christ was crucified, saluting the flag, service in the military, and that
sort of thing. There are much bigger fish to fry than those.

6• Force them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if you have
to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap your fingers, or raise your
voice. Do not let them digress, change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor
get distracted and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking.

7• Do not permit them to butt in and/or talk out of turn. Politely, but firmly,
insist that they remain silent until you are finished speaking.

8• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions. They
sometimes say that they will have to confer with someone more
knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is over. Thank them politely
for their time and then ask them to leave and come back when they have
the information. Do not let them stay and start a new topic of their own.

9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

Later on, I read a book titled Why I Left The Jehovah's Witnesses by Ted
Dencher and eventually purchased a copy of the Society's Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures to use in my discussions with
missionaries because it is the one Bible that they cannot challenge; nor dare
to challenge. I also read and studied the Society's little brown book titled
Reasoning From The Scriptures.

From all that vetting, study, and training I quickly discovered that although
the Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases, those terms and phrases mean something entirely different in
Society-speak than what you'd expect. So your first challenge in dealing with
a Watch Tower missionary is to scale the semantics barrier; and that by
itself is an Herculean task.

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Is this your personal experience or something you copied from someone else?
 

WeberHome

New member
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Watch Tower Society jargon creates a very serious language barrier. For
example; when a normal person hears the word "resurrection" they think of
Christ's crucified body returning to life. Not so in Watch Tower jargon. In its
"speak" resurrection indicates not Christ returning to life; but Michael the
arch angel returning to life.

As another example: when normal people hear the words "Jesus Christ" they
think of a man; but not so in Watch Tower jargon. In its "speak" Jesus Christ
identifies not a man; but an angel. As for Jesus Christ's so-called post
resurrection appearances: those are understood by Watch Tower
missionaries as an angel disguised in a human avatar.

The problem is: the Watch Tower Society uses all the common Christian
terminology; but it has re-defined the meanings of those terminologies thus
creating a semantic jungle.

Walter Martin, author of Kingdom Of The Cults, was asked on numerous
occasions: "Why is it that when I am talking with a cultist he seems to be in
full agreement with what I am saying; but when we are finished talking, I
am aware of a definite lack of communication, almost as though we were not
talking the same language?"

Well the answer to that is: their respective understanding of the words were
not always the same; ergo: they were saying the same things; but their
minds were not hearing the same things.

Dr. Laura often scolded her callers about interpreting her advice. It really
annoyed her on radio when callers would begin their responses with "in
other words you're saying". No; there were no other words-- the words she
spoke were adequate and she flat-footed, and sometimes angrily, demanded
that they not interpret her instructions but get out there and do exactly as
she says.

Watch Tower missionaries are just like that. As you are speaking, their
minds are interpreting your words into a context that their Society-trained
minds are accustomed to hearing. The result can be, and usually is, a
maddening lack of communication although the missionary is convinced in
their own mind that you and they are both on the same page.

Below is a real-life dialogue between me and a Jehovah's Witness. I started
off with this:

"It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." (Col 2:9,
NWT)

The Kingdom Interlinear translates "divine quality" as godship; which
Dictionary dot com defines as the rank, character, or condition of a god. The
actual Greek word is theotes (theh-ot'-ace) which means: divinity; which
Webster's defines as the state of, and the qualities of, a god.

But godship and/or divinity are modified by the Greek definite article "ho".
So the question becomes: which of all godships and/or divinities is the
godship and/or the divinity?

Well; in my armchair estimation; Col 2:9 is saying that in him-- that is in
Christ --is not dwelling down all the rank, character, and condition of an
angel bodily, rather; all the fullness of the rank, character, and condition of
Jehovah bodily.

Here's the Witness's response:

"Your knowledge and reasoning are spot on up to this point. I agree and
have agreed all along that Jesus is divine. No problem there. He is "a god".
His godship and divinity ARE remanded to their rightful relationship with THE
god, as you say....THE god who is qualified by the article "ho" ("the"), when
we thoughtfully consider where this article is placed. That would be "the
god" WITH WHOM Jesus was, his Father, Jehovah."

Were the Witness and I on the same page? No; we weren't even in the same
book; though she was convinced in her own mind that we were "spot-on" in
agreement.

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WeberHome

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Is this your personal experience or something you copied from someone
else?

If you're inquiring as to whether I've plagiarized, and/or am impersonating, the
original author of post #1, the answer is NO.

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Danoh

New member
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My first encounter with a Watchtower Society missionary (a.k.a. Jehovah's
Witness) occurred in 1969. At the time I was young and naïve, and thus
assumed that the hewer of wood, and hauler of water coming down the
driveway was a fellow born-again Christian. But when I talked this over with
a church elder he became alarmed; and urged me to read a little book titled
30 Years A Watchtower Slave by William J. Schnell; whom the Society at one
time demonized as an agent of Satan. I would not be surprised if it still
does.

After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards
steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
No doubt the Society demonizes Mr. Martin too.

Around late 1980, my wife and I attended a series of classes sponsored by a
local church titled "How To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses". The instructor
(call him Pete) was an ex Witness who had been in the Watch Tower Society
system for near three decades and was a wide-area manager before
terminating his association with the Society; so he knew the ins and outs of
its doctrines pretty good.

Pete didn't train us to hammer the Society's missionaries in a discussion
because even if you best them scripture for scripture, rebuttal for rebuttal,
and refute for refute, they will not give up on the Society. Their mind's
unflinching premise is that the Society is right even when it can be easily
proven wrong.

1• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never ever
assume they are your friends because first and foremost, these people are
recruiters. Their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watch Tower Society.

2• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back later and
discuss it with you; thus taking control of the meeting.

3• Don't give them a chance to launch into their spiel, but immediately begin
introducing your own questions; thus denying them control of the
conversation

4• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product-- you're
herald; viz: a messenger; that's all. The goal is to show missionaries that
the Society's isn't the only expert opinion out there. In other words: the
Watchtower Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo
ipso the right interpretations just because they say so.

5• Do not get embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays, Easter, Christmas,
Christmas trees, blood transfusions, the design of the wooden device upon
which Christ was crucified, saluting the flag, service in the military, and that
sort of thing. There are much bigger fish to fry than those.

6• Force them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if you have
to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap your fingers, or raise your
voice. Do not let them digress, change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor
get distracted and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking.

7• Do not permit them to butt in and/or talk out of turn. Politely, but firmly,
insist that they remain silent until you are finished speaking.

8• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions. They
sometimes say that they will have to confer with someone more
knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is over. Thank them politely
for their time and then ask them to leave and come back when they have
the information. Do not let them stay and start a new topic of their own.

9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

Later on, I read a book titled Why I Left The Jehovah's Witnesses by Ted
Dencher and eventually purchased a copy of the Society's Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures to use in my discussions with
missionaries because it is the one Bible that they cannot challenge; nor dare
to challenge. I also read and studied the Society's little brown book titled
Reasoning From The Scriptures.

From all that vetting, study, and training I quickly discovered that although
the Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases, those terms and phrases mean something entirely different in
Society-speak than what you'd expect. So your first challenge in dealing with
a Watch Tower missionary is to scale the semantics barrier; and that by
itself is an Herculean task.

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Having dealt with them to a good extent, I concur; yours are some most excellent points for the type of setting one needs to both attempt to take charge of, and or establish, as well as to attempt to maintain throughout, towards sharing the gospel of Christ

I've also applied a very similar format when simply sharing the Mystery of Christ with other believers. The above is a must even more so when the individual is a leader or pastor of some sort.

Even then, there is no guarantee, so one might as well not even go for it; simply hold the fort towards being able to present the gospel if that is the issue, or the Mystery when that is.

Once, I got all the way through Ephesians 2's Time Past, But Now, Ages to Come. When I then asked who they understood their Apostle was, they rattled off their pastor's name, lol.

Being that all kinds of "that's not for us" cult like groups are out there, one might as well just have fun with it all; enjoy the opportunity and challenge; that sort of a thing.
 

WeberHome

New member
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Your posts so far say nothing about sharing with them the Gospel of the
grace of God. Why is that?

9• It's very important to show JWs the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

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aikido7

BANNED
Banned
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My first encounter with a Watchtower Society missionary (a.k.a. Jehovah's
Witness) occurred in 1969. At the time I was young and naïve, and thus
assumed that the hewer of wood, and hauler of water coming down the
driveway was a fellow born-again Christian. But when I talked this over with
a church elder he became alarmed; and urged me to read a little book titled
30 Years A Watchtower Slave by William J. Schnell; whom the Society at one
time demonized as an agent of Satan. I would not be surprised if it still
does.

After getting my eyes opened by Mr. Schnell's book, I was afterwards
steered towards another book titled Kingdom Of The Cults by Walter Martin.
No doubt the Society demonizes Mr. Martin too.

Around late 1980, my wife and I attended a series of classes sponsored by a
local church titled "How To Witness To Jehovah's Witnesses". The instructor
(call him Pete) was an ex Witness who had been in the Watch Tower Society
system for near three decades and was a wide-area manager before
terminating his association with the Society; so he knew the ins and outs of
its doctrines pretty good.

Pete didn't train us to hammer the Society's missionaries in a discussion
because even if you best them scripture for scripture, rebuttal for rebuttal,
and refute for refute, they will not give up on the Society. Their mind's
unflinching premise is that the Society is right even when it can be easily
proven wrong.

1• Do not let these people get personal with you. You must never ever
assume they are your friends because first and foremost, these people are
recruiters. Their primary interest is in making you a life-long slave to the
Watch Tower Society.

2• Do not accept their literature. They will want to come back later and
discuss it with you; thus taking control of the meeting.

3• Don't give them a chance to launch into their spiel, but immediately begin
introducing your own questions; thus denying them control of the
conversation

4• Do not debate. You're not a salesman pushing a product-- you're
herald; viz: a messenger; that's all. The goal is to show missionaries that
the Society's isn't the only expert opinion out there. In other words: the
Watchtower Society's interpretations aren't the only option; nor are theirs eo
ipso the right interpretations just because they say so.

5• Do not get embroiled in trivial issues like birthdays, Easter, Christmas,
Christmas trees, blood transfusions, the design of the wooden device upon
which Christ was crucified, saluting the flag, service in the military, and that
sort of thing. There are much bigger fish to fry than those.

6• Force them to listen and pay attention to what you say even if you have
to repeat yourself to do it, or clap your hands, snap your fingers, or raise your
voice. Do not let them digress, change the subject, go off on a tangent, nor
get distracted and/or turn their attention elsewhere while you're speaking.

7• Do not permit them to butt in and/or talk out of turn. Politely, but firmly,
insist that they remain silent until you are finished speaking.

8• Do not permit them to evade and/or circumvent difficult questions. They
sometimes say that they will have to confer with someone more
knowledgeable. When they do that, the meeting is over. Thank them politely
for their time and then ask them to leave and come back when they have
the information. Do not let them stay and start a new topic of their own.

9• It's very important to show them the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

Later on, I read a book titled Why I Left The Jehovah's Witnesses by Ted
Dencher and eventually purchased a copy of the Society's Kingdom
Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures to use in my discussions with
missionaries because it is the one Bible that they cannot challenge; nor dare
to challenge. I also read and studied the Society's little brown book titled
Reasoning From The Scriptures.

From all that vetting, study, and training I quickly discovered that although
the Watchtower Society uses many of Christianity's standard terms and
phrases, those terms and phrases mean something entirely different in
Society-speak than what you'd expect. So your first challenge in dealing with
a Watch Tower missionary is to scale the semantics barrier; and that by
itself is an Herculean task.

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I used to get really cheesed at both them and Mormon missionaries interrupting my life! But for some reason, for the last 10 years, I often welcome them into my home, try to share some food or drink (they always refuse) and find out more about their theology, etc.

They are really polite and are almost too perfect about not putting down my own thinking and beliefs.

But I can hold my own. I learned to regard them as “different” from me, not more heretical from me. It keeps my nervous system on point.
 

keypurr

Well-known member
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9• It's very important to show JWs the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

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Show me ANY church that is NOT CULT.

Every one thinks that only they have the true church, so every one else is wrong.

You have much to learn friend.

Can you even prove to me that the bible is God's word?

It took me years to cross my line of reason that it is indeed his word.

The JW's are no better or worse than main stream churches.
 

CherubRam

New member
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Watch Tower Society jargon creates a very serious language barrier. For
example; when a normal person hears the word "resurrection" they think of
Christ's crucified body returning to life. Not so in Watch Tower jargon. In its
"speak" resurrection indicates not Christ returning to life; but Michael the
arch angel returning to life.

As another example: when normal people hear the words "Jesus Christ" they
think of a man; but not so in Watch Tower jargon. In its "speak" Jesus Christ
identifies not a man; but an angel. As for Jesus Christ's so-called post
resurrection appearances: those are understood by Watch Tower
missionaries as an angel disguised in a human avatar.

The problem is: the Watch Tower Society uses all the common Christian
terminology; but it has re-defined the meanings of those terminologies thus
creating a semantic jungle.

Walter Martin, author of Kingdom Of The Cults, was asked on numerous
occasions: "Why is it that when I am talking with a cultist he seems to be in
full agreement with what I am saying; but when we are finished talking, I
am aware of a definite lack of communication, almost as though we were not
talking the same language?"

Well the answer to that is: their respective understanding of the words were
not always the same; ergo: they were saying the same things; but their
minds were not hearing the same things.

Dr. Laura often scolded her callers about interpreting her advice. It really
annoyed her on radio when callers would begin their responses with "in
other words you're saying". No; there were no other words-- the words she
spoke were adequate and she flat-footed, and sometimes angrily, demanded
that they not interpret her instructions but get out there and do exactly as
she says.

Watch Tower missionaries are just like that. As you are speaking, their
minds are interpreting your words into a context that their Society-trained
minds are accustomed to hearing. The result can be, and usually is, a
maddening lack of communication although the missionary is convinced in
their own mind that you and they are both on the same page.

Below is a real-life dialogue between me and a Jehovah's Witness. I started
off with this:

"It is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily." (Col 2:9,
NWT)

The Kingdom Interlinear translates "divine quality" as godship; which
Dictionary dot com defines as the rank, character, or condition of a god. The
actual Greek word is theotes (theh-ot'-ace) which means: divinity; which
Webster's defines as the state of, and the qualities of, a god.

But godship and/or divinity are modified by the Greek definite article "ho".
So the question becomes: which of all godships and/or divinities is the
godship and/or the divinity?

Well; in my armchair estimation; Col 2:9 is saying that in him-- that is in
Christ --is not dwelling down all the rank, character, and condition of an
angel bodily, rather; all the fullness of the rank, character, and condition of
Jehovah bodily.

Here's the Witness's response:

"Your knowledge and reasoning are spot on up to this point. I agree and
have agreed all along that Jesus is divine. No problem there. He is "a god".
His godship and divinity ARE remanded to their rightful relationship with THE
god, as you say....THE god who is qualified by the article "ho" ("the"), when
we thoughtfully consider where this article is placed. That would be "the
god" WITH WHOM Jesus was, his Father, Jehovah."

Were the Witness and I on the same page? No; we weren't even in the same
book; though she was convinced in her own mind that we were "spot-on" in
agreement.

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The fact that they think Michael is Christ is not very important. Before Christ was born into this world he was called "The (Angel / Messenger) of (the Lord / Yahwah.) He also is the messenger of the New Covenant. The correct Hebrew translation is "messenger," not "angel." Angels are from Paganism. Christ himself said he was (a god.) He never said that he was God the Father.
 

musterion

Well-known member
Show me ANY church that is NOT CULT.

Every one thinks that only they have the true church, so every one else is wrong.

You have much to learn friend.

Can you even prove to me that the bible is God's word?

It took me years to cross my line of reason that it is indeed his word.

The JW's are no better or worse than main stream churches.

Wow, that sounds exactly like Meshak in smart mode.
 

1Way1Truth1Life

New member
Your points are spot on. I once had a copy of Reasoning From the Scriptures to be able to understand how they twisted and distorted God's Word and to be able to show them it was not what God said from the Scripture. I also had a copy of their perverted translation to be able to show them that Jesus is God, not a god, nor Michael. It can be done right from Isiah. I had also learned to read and translated the Koine Greek for the same reasons. I've also read Kingdom of the Cults way back year ago. I would also suggest to challenge them to read the Bible by itself without reading any of their Watchtower interpretations, nor other people's material. Challenge them to allow God to be their teacher and interpreter as God Himself says that we do not need man to teach us because God is our Teacher. God and His Word says differently than what the Watchtower says.
 

musterion

Well-known member
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9• It's very important to show JWs the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

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Where's the Gospel in that?

What is the Gospel by which we are saved? Can you tell us?
 

Desert Reign

LIFETIME MEMBER
LIFETIME MEMBER
I agree with a number of the points in the OP. But I think the OP is a little harsh.
I can't speak at all now, but when I could, my plan was firstly to let them talk. Once they've said their piece, they begin to be more relaxed. Then I ask them personal questions which I know they will not have been trained to answer. It is quite eye-opening to see how very insecure they are once outside their prepared spiel. But I try to make them feel relaxed about themselves. I never agree to do studies with them.
As soon as they mention the original Greek text (which they invariably do - as if it makes them sound like they know what they are talking about), I jump on them like a shot. Something like 'Oh do you know ancient Greek? I do and I have a Greek Bible here, let's look at it!' And then they have to admit that they have no knowledge of ancient Greek at all but were only parrotting. I can then dwell on this point and hopefully get them to realise that parrotting is 100% of what they are doing and that they have no personal experiences at all. And of course I would share my own personal experiences.
And yes, semantics is a big issue, which is why it is a good to be well prepared. In the beginning I wasn't well prepared but I soon learnt. I do believe that one lady who visited me subsequently became a major voice against the Watchtower movement. It's important to always be polite and loving. Try also to get them to come back. They might never get another chance to be in the presence of the Holy Spirit.
I only partially agree with Keypurr. Whilst I believe with my whole heart that it is not correct doctrine that qualifies you for salvation, it just so happens that incorrect doctrine can prevent you from obtaining salvation. What a surprise! That is why the NT exhorts us in no uncertain terms to ensure that false teaching is eliminated from the church. These people need salvation, let's not be ambivalent about that.
 

heir

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9• It's very important to show JWs the Bible not in ways they've already
seen, but in ways they've never imagined.

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Why not show them by the scriptures? They've probably never been shown the gospel that is the power of God to save them. And if you did, just what would you preach as the gospel of their salvation?
 
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